for god and country

I often wonder how my grandfather must have felt knowing he had killed thousands of innocent people in the line of duty. But i know not to ask. I learned that long ago. Not all questions are to be asked. Some are simply to be forgotten. One answer will suffice: for God and country.

These thoughts have been more present in my mind in recent months. I remember being asked how i could be anti-war and pro-soldier, as though these ideas were completely contradictory. My response was always simple: Stanley Milgram. On a listserv today, someone noted that they would never participate in killing others, that they would rather risk jail than participate in the military, that the only justifiable option is conscientious objector. I wish i could live in a world where that option was available to everyone. Instead, i wrote:

This is a privilege that is currently afforded to you, yes. But it is not something that is afforded to all people everywhere, nor does it guarantee that you will never be situated in a kill-or-be-killed environment.

In many places in the world, you are required to serve in the armed forces. In many places, war is on your front step. Sure, you can say that anyone could rebel for moral reasons, but obedience to authority runs very deep. Are you familiar with Stanley Milgram’s work (mostly stemming from Obedience to Authority)?

Of course, the most interesting analysis of how stress will motivate “good” people to do “bad” things is Zimbardo’s Stanford Prison Experiment

One well established perspective is that people’s moral values and practices are highly context-dependent. Put people in a position of fear, stress or anxiety and some of the worst characteristics of humanity are bound to emerge, even if they are the most altruistic and well-demeanored people in everyday life.

This research is very interesting in light of most war-vets PTSD. Needless to say, both Milgram and Zimbardo induced PTSD on their subjects (and they are the reason that we have the IRB today). Anyone who has been to war will articulate the conflicting feelings of not wanting to kill and yet doing so. It’s hard to make sense of and it tears at the fabric of your self-perception.

It’s also really important to note that we live in a very individualistic society. Most societies are more driven by community and family pressures and norms than personal beliefs. Rebellion is an act of dishonoring your family/community, a cultural force that most people don’t overcome. Also (best noted by Milgram), the values of an individual and the values of a group are often very different.

While we have the privilege to sit in (mostly) American cities and voice our dissent towards military participation, the forces that operate in most places would push any (even educated) member of society towards participation. Also, for the most part, we have education, jobs (or job potential), and lack family responsibilities, all of which affords us a lot of mobility and freedom. Most of the US’s military force is comprised of the poorest and least mobile individuals. Most signed up to get out of their home environment and never expected to have to participate. I would guess that most are not motivated by murder, but then put in that context…

I would love to believe that i would never kill. I would love to believe that if i were drafted, i would have the strength to rebel. Yet, i imagine that instinct would kick in and if i weren’t so privileged, so would need to conform.

Given this perspective, my personal view is that it is the responsibility of those of us with privilege to create a worldwide context where the worst in humanity doesn’t need to emerge. How can we reduce the tension so that the instinct to kill out of fear does not need to be considered? How do we increase communication so that the worst-case-scenario is never realized?

Of course, i realize that this is not the perspective that most people have. My grandfather came back from war to a culture that realized that whatever happened in wartime stayed in wartime. It was not to be discussed; simply honor the vets. In Vietnam, vets came back from their harrowing experiences to a country of people who hated them for doing what they didn’t see as representative. Anti-war activists took a stance that any conscientious person would object to the war and thus our own people were criminals. This divided our country unnecessarily and we saw the ramifications very recently. People still cannot separate between anti-war and anti-soldiers. The public sees the two as synonymous and it always saddens me to hear people validate that. To believe that soldiers are evil and immoral people is to be so steeped in privilege that you’ve lost touch of humanity.

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2 thoughts on “for god and country

  1. Ben Chun

    Call me “steeped in privilege” but I believe that, well, to quote Dr. King, “There is no way to peace. Peace is the way.” If you believe in peaceful solutions in today’s world, then you will not join the military. I don’t care what kind of oppression or poverty you’re enduring, signing up to kill people at the command of others — if it comes to that — means renouncing peace.

    Do I recognize that there are massive social, political, and economic problems in the United States today that lead poor people to see military enlistment as a ticket to college and a better life? Yes. Do I think that excuses one from understanding the reality of the purpose and actions of the military? No. Is there a gray area where you sign up to be a paperwork officer and then unexpectedly have to go fight? Perhaps. But in that case I would expect to see a Stephen Funk maneuver.

    I believe that one can “support the troops” and be anti-war, but only in the same sense that one can “support Saddam” and also “support Bush”: in recognizing that all humans are deserving of our compassion. If you are going to be anti-war and pro-soldier, the only defensible position is to be pro-all-soldiers — to love all humans. And in that sense, I agree with you that there is no purpose in deriding individual soldiers for their decision to participate in the military. Nothing will be gained by that. It’s like imagining that you will change the mind of an anti-abortion protester by yelling back at them. Far better to be the change you wish to see. Far better to choose a more peaceful path for yourself.

    But if we as a species are to break the cycles of violence that plague us and rise to a new height of civilization, we must be that change. No excuses, no justifications. People must all come to understand that by agreeing to serve in the military — even if it’s the only way to pay for college, even if it’s the only way to get out of the town you grew up in, and even if you hope never to have to shoot at someone — you are not choosing peace. People must come to understand that if they are being forced to serve in a military somewhere, that they are being forced to choose against peace.

    It is difficult to resist authority and conformity (as Milgram and Asche have shown) but it is what humanity needs most. We need people who are willing to do what is right, despite the hardship or difficulty. So I reject your invocations of Milgram and Zimbardo as justifications for people’s actions. Observations about common human behavior are not a valid basis for forming a standard of ethics. Furthermore, staging an experiment where people are assigned roles and then watching them play out those roles is not the same as asking how someone gets into an analogous role in real life.

  2. zephoria

    I guess i can live that way, and i wish others would as well, but i don’t expect them to. I think that we’ve created a social culture that does not provide people with the knowledge to realize this form of peace nor the power to go against cultural norms. I think that a context shift is necessary and i refuse to blame those who are simply uninformed or poorly educated, because i feel as though that is also a cultural weakness not necessarily an individual one.

    Basically, i think that your view on this is utopian, and i’d love to be on board, but i don’t see it as something that will generate change. I also think that people are steeped in habit and a certain level of need for survival, both of which make people trapped, even when the door is wide open; they simply don’t realize it. I just don’t see the value in blaming people for that because i think that there are fundamental reasons why folks don’t break norms.

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