The Cultural Divide Between LiveJournal and Six Apart

Ah, shit. If Brad is willing to sell, i suspect that this rumor is definitely true. It doesn’t require a brain to know that buying LiveJournal would be a brilliant move on Six Apart’s part. That said, i’m not sure that i like this move at all.

Live Journal is a culture, not simply a product or commodity that can be bought. From an outsider’s perspective, it might appear as though they are similar properties – they are both blogging tools, right? Wrong.

Jump inside LJ culture. People who use LJ talk about their LJs, not their blogs. They mock bloggers who want to be pundits, journalists, experts. In essence, they mock the culture of bloggers that use Six Apart’s tools. During interviews with LJ/Xanga folks, i’ve been told that MovableType is for people with no friends, people who just talk to be heard, people who are trying too hard.

LJ folks don’t see LJ as a tool, but a community. Bloggers may see the ethereal blogosphere as their community, but for LJers, it’s all about LJ. Aside from the ubergeek LJers, LJers don’t read non-LJs even though syndication is available. They post for their friends, comment excessively and constantly moderate who should have access to what.

While you cannot generalize about LJers, a vast majority of them are engaged in acts of resistance regularly (think: subcultures, activists, youth rebels, etc.). They value LJ because it values them. They value LJ because it is a tool of resistance, an act of going against mainstream and representing those already marginalized by society – the geeks, freaks and queers among us. They don’t want to be mainstream. They don’t want their parents/authorities/oppressors using the same service. At the same time, LJ provides shelter, support, community. When someone threatens to commit suicide, LJ doesn’t throw up its hand and scream “not my problem.” There are folks who actually work to help friends help each other. They’re not just an anonymous service – they care.

I would love to know why people donate to LiveJournal. My hunch is that it has to do with cultural identity. When you donate, it says so on your page. When you donate, you signify that you value LJ. Forget increased features, you’ve just made the ultimate commitment to a community – a commitment of money. And aren’t you jealous of the permanent members and early adopters?

Friends have asked me if people care about Brad. Craigslist users often talk about knowing someone who knows Craig and that they value the intimacy of it because they know that Craig loves them. I don’t think the same is true for Brad. The geeks definitely give me the 6 degrees relationship status, but most people talk about it being their community. In other words, i think that as far as most LJers are concerned, LJ is run by an attentive benevolent dictator who cares about them. They don’t care about Brad – they care about the freedom that he appears to give them without any indication of reality.

Movable Type is a product; LiveJournal is a community. Six Apart is seen as a community that provides tools, not culture. I suspect that if LJ goes to SA, there will be discontent from LJ users even though the media and blogosphere will hail it as an exceptionally [insert business rhetoric here] deal. Even if Six Apart doesn’t change a damn thing, i suspect that LJers will feel wary, unloved and co-opted by The Man. I can’t imagine them going anywhere fast but i can’t see them being happy either, nor can i see them continuing to contribute economically.

My biggest concern is that a merger will stunt the cultural growth on LiveJournal that makes it so fascinating. My second concern is that Six Apart will not be prepared to deal with the userbase and will initiate practices that are more detrimental because of fear. [For example, what’s the best way to handle an LJ community dedicated to cutters trying to outdo each other via images?] It takes a resistance-based culture to support a community of resisters and Six Apart is by no means a resistance-minded company. My third concern is that LiveJournal will shift because of investor value. It’s already compared to blogging, but as its own entity, it doesn’t have to be evaluated on those terms. If bought by Six Apart, i’m concerned that SA’s investors will evaluate it on SA blogging’s terms instead of in terms of LJ. My fourth concern is that fear of control will limit the evolving identity production/consumption that makes LiveJournal so valuable for youth and marginalized populations. It’s already far too public for more people, but easy access to LJ from MT/Typepad could be a disaster for many LJers.

While many bloggers love to talk about LJ with disdain, as a low-brow version of the culture, i adore LJ from the bottom of my heart and i’m truly concerned that LJ’s culture will be corrupted by an acquisition. It is not like any other blogging service and the needs that it serves are fundamentally different. I understand that Brad would gain much from selling, but it breaks my heart all the same. I can totally understand what he will gain, what Six Apart will gain… but what will LJ folks gain?

Sad sad sad. I hope Malik is wrong. And if he’s not, i hope i’m wrong. But i’m very very concerned about the impact of this should be it be true.

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130 thoughts on “The Cultural Divide Between LiveJournal and Six Apart

  1. Matt McIrvin

    Based on all these descriptions of LiveJournal culture, I guess I’m not part of it and shouldn’t be posting stuff to LiveJournal.

    I’ve never had the slightest disdain or contempt for people who use Six Apart’s tools. That’s stupid. Why would I have contempt for somebody over what tools they use? (And Six Apart != Movable Type. TypePad is a hosted turnkey product, just like Blogger/Blogspot or, I’d argue, LJ.)

    The nice thing about LJ’s friends list system is that you can end up in a network with its own little culture that sort of accretes out of the void. It’s impossible to generalize about what these are like. Personally, I call my journal a blog most of the time and post the kinds of things to it that are more stereotypical of MT blogs than LiveJournal blogs. I’ve never seen any pressure for me to emigrate– except from outsiders who tell me that I need to give up LJ because it’s “only for 13-year-old girls”.


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  4. John Paolillo

    Sheesh. All this noise. Where does one begin?

    It seems to me what is going on is very straightforward. This is the first in what will become a long series of consolidations of blogging/social networking sites. In the end all of them will be consolidated with (or become) search sites as well (Orkut is already part of Google, and MSN has tried to enter into this market as well). What this means is that the data you create is going to be data-mined and used to market products, services, and people’s junk on ebay to you. What’s more, people will let this happen, because they’ve already come to expect it, and accept it as “cool”.

    A revolt of LJ users, or a migration to a new site (DJ?) cannot prevent this. Any site created on the same premises of open access to (even some of) the users’ personal data, thoughts, reflections or whatever, will require databases to store that information and such centralized data repositories about people, their preferences, friends and mundane daily lives automatically become information assets that someone will seek to exploit or control.

    Everyone needs to understand that the act of creating and maintaining a journal or friends list on any hosted service entails an implicit contract (or look in the legal fine print to find the service’s interpretation of this contract) in which you the user lend to the service some small but significant fraction of your social capital. What makes the services valuable, both to users and to marketers is the net aggregation of this social capital. Moreover, in aggregate, it takes on very different and sometimes unrecognizable forms from that in which it was originally lent. Furthermore, having lent this capital, you can’t really ever get it back.

    Companies like Google understand that they only need to borrow a very small amount of any one user’s capital to end up with a very large pool and thereby to become ridiculously wealthy. Users seem not to understand that this is what is going on. In addition, users fail to understand that from the company’s point of view, all the information on their servers belongs to them, just as your school or your employer or your ISP “owns” your email, and can open it, read it, alter it, or delete it without your consent or knowledge. I don’t personally agree with these policies, but it is the way that things work, and the courts repeatedly have viewed the provenance of information in just this way (one prior precedent is your credit record, which the reporting companies make very hard for any maligned individual to correct).

    LJ users may feel or claim a sense of community (and I don’t dispute the reality of any such sense or feeling), and this is important to its success, growth and enduring value, especially for the operators of LJ, but this in no way means that the operators see LJ or its value in the same terms as the users. Instead, they are most likely to identify the value as coming from the technologies that they maintain — without their work, their user support, their backups and maintenance, the value that the users experience would never be captured. These activities are costly, and hence they will need to be able to extract value from the same resources to justify their continued involvement in them.

    6A and LJ also have other worries. They are very small companies with very large user bases in a hostile marketplace. In order to survive and continue to do what they do, they will have to carefully pick their way around the MS, Google and Yahoo companies out there, any of which could potentially force a hostile takeover, if they had a good enough reason to want to. And as the user bases grow, and the importance of public blogging and social networking becomes increasingly apparent, and its potential for marketing becomes more and more irresistable, such takeovers become more and more likely. By banding together, 6A and LJ begin to hedge themselves against the most agressive and hostile competition they face, and ensure their longevity for just a little longer. When the big guns come out, it will not be your hides that the operators will be thinking about, so much as their own. People at LJ report that they like the jobs they work in after all; some of the changes they could face personally would be as monstrous to them as what the users might feel.

    So the 6A/LJ takeover issue is not so simple as one might initially think, as there are a lot of players in the full caste and some pretty ferocious ones at that. At the same time, the trends driving the merger are fairly plain to see, and we shouldn’t be surprised at it hapening or at what its consequences will be. And I don’t think that they will be pretty in the long run.

  5. Anil Dash

    Accountability and Culture in a Loosely Coupled World

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  6. chris

    hi guy,
    I think it’s good to be concerned for those subcultures too, but like someone else said – if they *choose* to let it bother them, this invisible Six Apart oppressive force that probably won’t actually affect anything they do – they can *choose* to join one of the other LJ-like communities. And that might be a good thing, to branch off and to their own thing on a smaller more independent scale.

  7. Elaine

    Wow. As an active lj-er, it’s really, really interesting to see things from an outsiders view.

    That being said, as much as I would absolutely LOVE to tell you that you couldn’t be more wrong about the people…. you’re right. It’s the Star Wars/Trek nerdies, the lotr obsessors, the just plain nerdy, and the “scene kids” (oh lord.) who rule lj. Every once and a while, if you click “Random Journal” enough, you will come to an lj of what looks to be a popular person in real life. And what’s it like? Usually gaudy, with horrible netspeak and maybe 1 or 2 friends.

    Now with that being said, there ARE some people on lj who are popular in both real life and on the internet. There are people who are very nice, very cool, very pretty, very whatever you want to call it. There are mainstream people who’ve managed to cross that border. I’m not immensely popular on lj, but I would group myself in with the mainstream people as far as whether or not I’m in a subculture. Doesn’t mean I’m a society clone (I’m a film major for crying out loud. It’s practically required for me to be a little off the edge. *g*), just means I like J. Crew over Hot Topic & John Mayer over Disturbed.

    Anyway, I’m sorry if all of this has been said before. I really only skimmed the previous comments. But, man, you brought up some excellent points to think about and, like I said first thing, it is so freaking interesting to hear about what you supposedly are/come off as from an outside source.

  8. Elaine

    Wow. As an active lj-er, it’s really, really interesting to see things from an outsiders view.

    That being said, as much as I would absolutely LOVE to tell you that you couldn’t be more wrong about the people…. you’re right. It’s the Star Wars/Trek nerdies, the lotr obsessors, the just plain nerdy, and the “scene kids” (oh lord.) who rule lj. Every once and a while, if you click “Random Journal” enough, you will come to an lj of what looks to be a popular person in real life. And what’s it like? Usually gaudy, with horrible netspeak and maybe 1 or 2 friends.

    Now with that being said, there ARE some people on lj who are popular in both real life and on the internet. There are people who are very nice, very cool, very pretty, very whatever you want to call it. There are mainstream people who’ve managed to cross that border. I’m not immensely popular on lj, but I would group myself in with the mainstream people as far as whether or not I’m in a subculture. Doesn’t mean I’m a society clone (I’m a film major for crying out loud. It’s practically required for me to be a little off the edge. *g*), just means I like J. Crew over Hot Topic & John Mayer over Disturbed.

    Anyway, I’m sorry if all of this has been said before. I really only skimmed the previous comments. But, man, you brought up some excellent points to think about and, like I said first thing, it is so freaking interesting to hear about what you supposedly are/come off as from an ou

  9. Meredith

    Thanks for this really interesting post; right before the Six Apart buy-out I actually wrote an English paper about how blogging-language is changing English & covered LJ as a separate entity from blogs, like you put it, as a community.

    I was pretty vehemently against the 6A buyout, actually; I’m pretty much an LJ geek. I’m actually a graphic designer & have a website but I don’t blog on it (which is rare to find from gd-ers these days). I don’t like Moveable Type, unless used with iPhoto & Photon as a photoblog, really, and more than likely, if I ever had another regular blog again, I’d use Textpattern. I blog w/ LJ because most of my friens blog with LJ (though I must admit being the one to get them all there). I’ve also met some of my best friends on LJ, and I certainly can’t say that for any of my regular news-aggregated feeds (which include ppl like John Hicks, Dan Cederholm, etc – and those, by the way, I actually read on LJ; I’ve creatd syndicated LJ feeds for most of them, heh). I read them because I want to know about design, not because I want to know about their actual life.

    And that, I think, is what sets LJ-users apart from the actual blogosphere.

    I remember donating at some point back in the day (a few years ago, I’m not an early adopter account but I’ve had various LJ names since about 2001), because I knew they needed money to run it & I liked its service – and this was before vast amounts of my actual Real Life friends joined the bill. I guess I just didn’t want to see it die.

    And that’s what I’m afraid will happen if 6A tries to change things. I don’t mind having the new feaeture of trackback, but if they make it more blog-like I’ll probably quit posting as much.

    (& just so you know the demographics of this poster, I fit pretty much the bill you described- when I started out on LJ I was the angry little communist punk kid that couldn’t find internet solace on pretty much any other forum or blog system (blogging was for sissies & professionals) – I found it, long ago, in online RPGs. Now I’m a little more grown up, have graduated college & can fit in with the rest of the world a little better than my tattooed, mowhawked self of an earlier time, but I’m still very antisociety & very communist & very much a geek- hey, even I learned Elvish through LJ! I wouldn’t say I’m that popular on LJ, but I do mod several popular communities.)

    Anyway, thanks for this post. Namarie!

  10. creativity/machine

    Media Convergence in the Blogosphere

    SixApart (developers of Movable Type) have bought LiveJournal. What’s next, Google buys SixApart and Flickr?
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  11. creativity/machine

    Media Convergence in the Blogosphere

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  12. Wax Banks

    Late to the party, but I just wanted to clarify something that was said WAAAAAY up there:

    People read one another’s on-topic blogs because (in theory) the topics are interesting and the writing is interesting. For the most part, people seem to read LiveJournals because of a connection to the people writing them (felt, imagined, lived, physical, emotional, whatever). If you make the switch from the latter to the former and find that no one’s listening to you, perhaps you should think about the usual reasons people don’t listen to other people.

    Danah’s Salon article about LiveJournal struck me as a laughably defensive apology for the insularity of a community. Why apologise at all? LiveJournal users like to speak to one another, and prefer the line between their sandbox and the other sandboxes to be thick and only semipermeable. You know what? That’s true of a hell of a lot of people. But aspiring to a wider audience isn’t a sign of egotism, it’s a sign of ambition. And a (sub?)culture that fears ambition faces some problems.

    In any case, the merger’s probably giong to benefit both companies greatly. What a surprise. The most readily-apparent benefits, to these eyes? LiveJournals will cease to look like shit, and several million literate people will gain a link to one of several larger worlds. AWESOME.

  13. Phil Wolff

    It might be useful to think of this as the start of a publishing conglomerate, like Conde Nast (which owns Wired but also other lifestyle magazines), or a hospitality network, like the Marriots. Each brand has its own way of making money, its own relationship with/among customers, a distinct identity and reason for being. LJ and TP and the MT worlds are each different, and there are many more. By centralizing some of the tech and admin stuff, 6A may be able to invest in development and support that reinforces the distinctive identities and value propositions of each property.

    Will they? Can they? We’ll see.

  14. paperballet

    actually i was looking at cute hats and googled danah and blog and found you. was that you [danah] with the white furry hat siting with Ronan?

    anyway– i am a very active LJer, frequent name-changer and daily blogger. i like your social observations of blogs, but so much of it random chance on LJ. i have found many people by being in communities, just like in real life- say the Mac User Group or the La Leche league… and then taken them with me when i left the group for whatever reason.

    i’ve had a lot of ‘recommended’ users also come my way by other writers who thought my writing and/or art existed on a similar plane. what annoys me most about this whole deal with SA is that for such a huge community, it was held as a secret – thusly making a community, with geek-dictator-cum-corporate player thing to which the cult of LJ was never informed about. so much for the community. it felt like dad was uprooting the family in the mini-van and taking us to some shit-town we didn’t grow up in and never wanted to move to in the first place. i mean, isn’t that why LJers chose to belong here in the first place?

    when i read it on the news page, i felt let-down.

    the thrifty ghetto diary-land which had always allowed me to believe in its democracy, however false it might have been – suddenly slammed me tot he ground and said – “HAHA losers… the revolution is now and you geeks were no part in it.” i didn’t blog about it. i sort of sighed and went on blogging per usual…

    but the fact remains, and i’ve seen this in other tight niche within a niche communities [such as] — someone HAS to rule. we don’t have the great anarchist movement online as we once did when these communities were babies and not cash cows. i think it’s hard for a community to really feel close-knit if the idea is you can be bought and sold. something within the social medium dies. melts – the natural growth and progression of ‘social community’ suddenly seems synthetic and fakes everyone out.

    it will be very much up to the people to voice there concerns and at least with my friends list, not many of them will. we have other concerns— big life concerns and school and work, etc. looking at the actual stats on the LJ users average age really opened my eyes as well. not only am i a very small percentage of LJ users, [30-40] i am completely amazed by the sheer growth everyday. i’ve thought for a long time some weeding out should be done of non-practicing users, but that’s like taking the whole religion of LJ and saying, “well, you missed church three weeks in a row – tough shit.”

    i would not want Brad’s job. i would not want Six Apart’s job either. but somebody needs to be a go-between in helping LJers know their place in the sphere of this sudden change and showing the white-collar players the value of letting LJ users remain as autonomous as possible.

  15. eric anderson

    Dear, however

    Why are all you assholes bitchin about some stupid journal, I mean get a life you stupid deushe bags excuse my selling but im not a nerd who sits down and checks his spelling mistakes. So fuck you all.


    Eric Anderson

  16. grandpa stole bets

    Program on the emergence of civilization.

    “14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
    13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
    None from the sub-Saharan African continent. ”
    And disfavor.

    They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it’s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

    The roots of racism are not of this earth.

    Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

    The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

    AIDS in Africa.

    Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
    Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

    1. MUCK – perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as “god”
    2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
    3. Evil/disfavored aliens – runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

    Terrestrial management/positioning:

    4. Chinese/egyptians – this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
    5. Romans – The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.
    6. Mafia – the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
    7. Jews, corporation, women, politician – Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.

    Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
    1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.

    Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying “He has more money than god.” There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says “I’m too old and rich for this.”

    This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

    20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.
    An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar; tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.

    I don’t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.

    They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won’t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

    The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

    I offer an example of historical proportions:::

    People point to Walmart and cry “anti-union”.
    Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family’s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
    Unions serve to empower.
    Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.

    Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people’s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
    Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

    The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

    The coining of the term “Uncle Sam” was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton’s WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

    They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants and assign them polar opposites:::
    Coke and Pepsi
    BestBuy and CircutCity
    Energizer and Duracell
    Republican and Democrat
    The list goes on and on:::
    AMD and Intel
    Apple and Microsoft (?)
    Lowes and HomeDepot
    Sam’sClub and Costco
    WellsFargo and BofA. For the longest time in CA these two banks reigned supreme.
    Pier1 and CostPlus
    Borders and Barnes&Noble
    PetCo and PetSmart

    Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
    Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn’t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
    The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren’t their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

    Royalty is the correct way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient’s hierarchical organization.
    Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
    Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
    Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.

    Jewsus Christ is a religious figure of evil. He teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.
    The seperatist churches formed so they could capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
    And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

    Since Buddism doesn’t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Asian representation is instead fully selected by the thrones.
    Budda was the Asian’s Jewsus Christ::: bad for the people. It was a clue they both emerged at the same time. Timing may be a clue alluding to ranking.

    Simpson’s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. “Last one you ever suspect.”
    “You’ll see lots of nuns where you’re going:::hell.” St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.
    Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

    The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move. It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::
    As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
    The similarity between the names “Santa” and “Satan” is no coincidence.

    Jews maim the body formed in the image of “god”, and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.
    I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
    Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
    What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
    If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
    Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
    Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.
    For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite by imposing a false god upon white people, a recurring aspect of the elite’s methodology.
    Jews were ostracised for a reason.

    Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because we attacked an antient, revered peoples. Our continued presence keeps us in trouble.
    When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.

    All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.
    All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.

    I question if we would even experience global warming if they didn’t terraform in an attempt to destroy disfavored human life on planet earth::::they terraform the weather as they did in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina (and lots of other examples) and justify it with behavior like instructing their petroleum friends to repress alternative technologies.
    This is all happening shortly after the Exodus of 2000 (clues::Hong Kong, Panama Canal) for a reason::: they are INFLICTING it upon us. Everybody they care about has come up. They are hastening closure.
    Just as favored European peoples got out before the ugliness of WWII, the semi-favored within the US got out before 9/11.
    Armeggedon isn’t about the end of the world. Armeggedon is about the death of the disfavored left behind. And they weren’t lying::this time it is going to happen with fire.

  17. I fuck god

    When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically. They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person’s thoughts simultaneously. Because of it’s infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe. And it can keep its inventors alive forever. They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old. They have achieved immortality.

    Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any dysfunctions you may experience (there is NO FREEWILL for the oblivious/undeceived disfavored). It can change how (and if) you grow and age. It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain. It can affect people and animal’s behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees. It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously.
    Or into the center of stars for disposal.

    When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on. Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or “god asking them to do something wrong. This is their way of using temptation to hurt people in this day and age:::::evil made people disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of “heaven ultimately. Too many people would do anything they thought pleased the gods and improve their chances to get in. Perhaps they are deceived by “made guys who strategically ply evil for the throne. But nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.

    Capitalizing on obedience, leading people deeper into evil by using deceit is one way to thin the ranks of the saved AND use the little people to prey on one another, dividing the community (migration to the suburbs, telepathic communication) in the Age of the Disfavored.
    In each of their 20-30-year cycles during the 20th century they have ramped up claims sucessively to punish those foolish enough not to heed the warnings, justifying (frequently recurring tactic) limiting the time they receive if they do make it, utilizing a cycle of war and revelry:::
    60s – Ironically, freeways aren’t free
    80s – Asked people to engage in evil in the course of their professional duties.
    00s – Escallation of real estate. You and your parents are thrilled since your $200,000 house is now worth $1 million. Well, that $5,000,000 store is now worth $25,000,000 and that $50 bundle of goods now costs you $250. They just take the $200 out of you some other way.

    There are many more examples throughout 20th century life of how they ramped up claims/instilled distractions into society so people wouldn’t find their way and ascend, a way to justify excluding those whose family history of evil makes them undesirable:::radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, the internet and MP3 (must pay for new format each time). They all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth’s end stage, and there are clues tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal:::Earth’s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction. Much as Italy’s boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse are clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, it’s axis rotated on its side.

    They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual sex. The earth’s elders, hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become indifferent.
    The gods are paving the way for the Apocolypse.
    Nothing has changed from decades ago, since when we were all children::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good. People were misled by the temptation of the gods, the Counsel/Management Team, who don’t want them to go, and now are in trouble.

    The Old Testiment is a valuable tool they used to impart wisdom to the people. For example, they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image. Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going.
    They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent’s time as well.
    Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing. I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision.
    They suggest abortion is fatal. These women must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil.
    There are female eqivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity away. In the Old World the young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for marriage. They were matched by elders who knew personalities better than 20 or 30-year olds who in today’s age end up in divorce court.
    CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!! It masculinizes women (as does hip hop), makes them cold and deadens them, and prevents them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.
    Women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential for love that makes them better, and enaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks.
    Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the “bad boy”, and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life.

    The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.
    The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species. The USA deceives peoeple into thinking they have control, and the perception of “freedom” misleads them at least into the wrong way of thinking.
    The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence, widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures you don’t go. You are sick because you have disfavor.). Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.

    If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young. Now we watch DVDs and use the internet. People would be matched and married by age 14. They village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people. Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce while their children grow up without an important role model.

    People must defy when asked to engage in evil. They will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray.
    Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::
    -DON’T get your sons circumcized
    -DON’T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity.
    -DON’T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances.
    -DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods.

    You need to pray, honor and respect them every day to improve your relationship with the gods. If they tell you not to it is a bad sign. it means they’ve made their decision, they don’t want you to go and they don’t want to be bothered.
    This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray::try to appease the gods by doing good deeds. If that doesn’t work you must defy if you want to go.
    When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head. You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good. Never cast your eyes skyward. When you bow down you need to look within.
    Lack of humility hurts people. Understand your insignificance and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods. Know your place and understand your inferiority.
    They granted you life and they can take it just as easily.
    Don’t get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt to try to get you off the path. You all have much to be thankful for and you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in life. Your family may be grossly disfavored and progress may require patience. Make praying an intregal part of your life which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or sleeping.
    There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, to other body experinces, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes marriage counseling) or as an Olympic gold medal athelete.
    Pray that you can differentiate between Artificial Intelligence creating problems by thinking through you and your own thoughts. If you bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and allow your insignificance to be reflected in your prayer and in your life through humility they may allow progress and the dysfunctions they create with the computer will be lessened or removed.
    Create a goal::to be a good child of the gods, pure of heart and mind, body and soul.

    They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories, from clones to wholesale population replacement with clones. This didin’t happen and is not realistic.
    I am afraid people are decieved into thinking they too are clones and cooperate and engage in evil. Clones are made, people are born. If you didn’t experience the one week they suggest it takes to go from fertilized egg in the laboratory to full grown adult then you are not a clone. If you didin’t experience the week of conditioning they give to (evil?) clones to ensure loyalty then you shoudln’t comply with evil.
    I believe people who go sometimes are replaced with clones. Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing. Don’t expect you are a clone. They sent people warnings in the 20th century life would change, and they subsequenlty began to alter people’s DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc.
    They get their friends out as soon as possible to protect them from the evil and subsequent high claim rates incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a clone instead, etc.

    Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come. Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to correct their family’s problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and neglect. The goal is to fix your problems and get out BEFORE you have children. This is why they have created so many distractions for young people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet::to ensure that doesn’t happen.
    Do your research. Appeal to the royalty of your forefathers for help. They are all still alive, for royalty has great favor, and your appeals will be heard. Obtain a sufficient list for some may not want to assist you; perhaps some of your family’s problems are internal.
    Ask them for help, request guidance, for somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor. I suspect they will offer you clues, and when you decipher these clues go to those whom consider you an enemy and beg for foregiveness:::Find a path to an empithetic ear among your enemies and try to make amends.
    Again through discovery obtain a respectable list in case some among them refuse to help.
    Don’t forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they pushed (NO FREEWILL) or requested/complied (FREEWILL) your forefather into his offense and made his decendants evil. Perhaps they didn’t like him or maybe your family was among those who had to pay for the entire village. We see this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race.
    Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.

    They stated sheep are foreign to earth, animals bestowed upon us for caretaking.
    And they don’t appreciate them being consumed.
    They state sheep are very intelligent animals who know what is ocurring at the slaughterhouse as they’re being led in.
    There are many favored peoples who consume lamb, people who could do much better if they stopped eating these treasured animals so loved by so many among the ruling species.
    There are clues::these jobs are very well paid, luring whites one would perceive as priveledged and hooking them once they incurr personal obligation. Only then do they find out the truth.

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