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March 30, 2006tonite on O'Reilly FactorI just finished taping a segment for tonight's O'Reilly Factor talking about MySpace. I am actually surprised at how calm the conversation was. Relatively controversy free. Of course, it's still about the scary side, but i think it came out OK. O'Reilly even introduced the town square metaphor for me, helping me explain that teens are doing what they've always done in public spaces. Anyhow, if anyone watches it, tell me how it came out since i won't get a chance to see it live. Update: ![]() I still haven't seen the show, but some folks took pictures and put them up on Flickr which lets me at least see what i looked like (cuz i didn't get to see anything during filming). Apparently i'm a cultural anthropologist! I don't quite know how i got that label, but it is indeed an ist! Anyhow, i'm really rather humored by all of this. My mother, brother, aunt and grandparents are equally humored. I managed to survive one of the most conservative and controversial TV figures unscathed. Who would've guessed? ![]() Update 2: I just put a copy of my segment up on You Tube. Enjoy! Category: myspace Posted by zephoria at March 30, 2006 3:14 PM
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Danah,
Just saw your interview on the O'Reilly show. Looked you up on google. Haven't seen many cultural anthropologists do interviews on social issues. Cetainly appropriate. You came across very well. Appeared knowledgeable. Good job.
MDA, Ph.D., ABPP
Clinical Psychologist
Posted by MDA | March 30, 2006 5:24 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 17:24
O'Reilly: Why don't they just talk to each other on the phone???
How did you manage not to laugh in his face?
Other than that, I think you did a good job. Bill clearly had an agenda which I think you didn't get sucked into.
I left a comment in a thread about the student protest a couple of days ago that seems not to have been posted. If you have any info on the use of MySpace for political organizing, I would appreciate a link. Also anything relating to MySpace as it fits into the media universe. You can reach me at News Corpse
Posted by Mark Howard | March 30, 2006 5:30 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 17:30
Danah,
I just watched your segment and was quite impressed. I am a big fan of O'Reilly. You came off well. Email me back if you have time. What is "apophenia"?
Steve
Posted by Steve Daniels | March 30, 2006 5:32 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 17:32
Wow danah,
Glad I checked your site today. I have a season pass on my TiVo for O'Reilly, so there you were when I got home!
I'm very impressed with you on that man's show. You responded calmly, even to the stupid questions and avoided any sort of confrontation. I guess you have a lot of practice.
I also learned something about Bill O'Reilly that shouldn't have really surprised me: he supports child pornography!! as long as the kid is getting paid for it
Here's a quote:
"The problem here is these dopey kids get on there and they give out all kinds of personal information about themselves, and as this troubled 16 year old in Rhode Island did, takes a naked picture of herself and puts it on there for NO reason. She's not makin any money doing it. It's a cry for help, obviously."
"Why would this girl put a naked picture of herself on the web?"
------- money part of the interview at the end, wherein O'Reilly GETS IT! --------
danah's awesome quote (in response to Bill asking why they don't just hang out on the phone):
d: "the reality is that they would probably prefer to hang out in physical spaces with each other, but they're not allowed to. most parents have restricted kids from even going out and biking around the neighborhood because of the fear of safety."
bo: "Now THAT's interesting. So this has become the new town square? This mypage business."
Posted by baratunde | March 30, 2006 7:54 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 19:54
Brilliant!
Posted by Mor | March 30, 2006 8:46 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 20:46
Danah,
I caught your spot on the O'Reilly Factor tonight, and I thought you carried yourself and made your points very well. The conversation progressed in a civil manner, and in the end, I think you won O'Reilly over to your point of view--Brava!
Mary Ellen
Posted by Mary Ellen Bertolini | March 30, 2006 9:10 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 21:10
missed o'reilly but heard you speak at eTech. hoping it'll run later or it'll stream.
apophenia--perhaps there are no accidents or coincidences?
/chuckles
Posted by apophenia_monkey | March 30, 2006 9:20 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 21:20
Whoa - congratulations! Hope that they put up a streaming version so I can see it for myself.
I'll be sure to address you as "Danah Boyd, cultural anthropologist" next time I see you (soon, I hope!).
Posted by Heather Fell | March 30, 2006 10:50 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 22:50
danah,
well done. humored indeed.
i think you should definitely be awarded 5 points for making it past this guy unscathed.
Posted by Terrell Russell | March 30, 2006 11:49 PM
Posted on March 30, 2006 23:49
Some years ago, I was on a TV show with the words "nutrition expert" under my name. Anyone who's ever seen me eat can testify that the label was sheer fantasy on the part of some assistant producer...
Congratulations on getting your point across.
Posted by pjm | March 31, 2006 1:08 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 01:08
good job on the O'Reily show. Why all the hatred for the guy? this blog makes it sound like you survived a shark attack.
Posted by alex | March 31, 2006 1:57 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 01:57
Congrats!
Your smile seemed mischievous like you were planning some kind of subversion. Is there a fun backstory about who was around, what the discussion was, etc?
Posted by Steven | March 31, 2006 2:13 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 02:13
U so crazy!;P
Well, a surprising good appearance ,considering who u were chatting with.
Posted by Tony | March 31, 2006 3:02 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 03:02
f**k, you went toe-to-toe with Bill O'Reilly??
Wow, you're a braver women then me (well, I'm a man, but you get what I mean).
I'm off to find it on bit torrent...
Posted by Ben Metcalfe | March 31, 2006 3:15 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 03:15
Oh wow I upset that I missed this. I will have to find it online (if someone knows where to find it send me a link).
This is Awesome!!!!
Congrats Danah
Posted by Tim of Tiffany fame | March 31, 2006 6:01 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 06:01
It shouldn't be so surprising that O'reilly had his gloves off, Fox News and Myspace are both owned by Murdoch.
Posted by sevensixfive | March 31, 2006 7:44 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 07:44
You 'survived' the guy because he's more decent and civil than you had assumed.
If you spent more time talking to people outside Berkeley you might have been less surprised.
Posted by ZF | March 31, 2006 7:58 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 07:58
dammit, i don't *EVER* watch the fox news channel. i'm mad i missed ya. i hope it makes its way to the web :-).
Posted by tiffany ... er, of tim fame | March 31, 2006 9:07 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 09:07
Someone please upload this interview to YouTube
Posted by AJ | March 31, 2006 9:19 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 09:19
Holy shit! A cruise boat capsized?!
Posted by Matt Hutson | March 31, 2006 10:38 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 10:38
Oh--wish we had had more advance notice. My punishment for only checking your blog a few times a week. Let us know if you find the transcript.
Posted by Marcela | March 31, 2006 10:51 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 10:51
The conversation with O'Reilly was more civilized than I expected. The insights you shared about why young people find MySpace so appealing probably helped a lot of parents understand their kids better. Great job!
Posted by Cliff Allen | March 31, 2006 11:19 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 11:19
Congratulations Danah :) Good Job!
Posted by Alex | March 31, 2006 11:55 AM
Posted on March 31, 2006 11:55
love your site, you do very good work.
Someone should do some research, and find out how many times, if ever, a guest on Bill's show has made him think with reason and give him pause to see thru his cloud of bias, and say, "hmm, that's interesting."
Seriously, that was great.
Posted by malatron | March 31, 2006 4:57 PM
Posted on March 31, 2006 16:57
Congrats, Danah. At Eastwick we've been talking about the "anthropologist" as a new job function in the world of PR and corporate communication. The work you are doing in social media is helping us to navigate the way. And now that you have survived the O'Reilly factor, you will have cross-cultural appeal (well maybe). :)
PS -- I studied cultural anthropology (and religion) as an undergrad, back in the days when people like Gregory Bateson were beginning to redefine the field. It's nice to see how broadly we are now thinking about this field. We are the "natives."
Posted by Giovanni Rodriguez | March 31, 2006 7:50 PM
Posted on March 31, 2006 19:50
Just saw the videofeed on your blog (would never have seen int otherwise since I never watch fox news) You did a great job of stearing things away from sensationalization. You also seemed very relaxed and confident.
Posted by Tamo | March 31, 2006 9:51 PM
Posted on March 31, 2006 21:51
I just saw your O'Reilly interview on You Tube. You definitely handled the �dopey kids� remark well. That�s the point where I would have been sucked in. Good job.
Posted by Justin | April 1, 2006 2:08 AM
Posted on April 1, 2006 02:08
Danah congratulations on a fine job on TV and surviving a "Factor" appearance unscathed.
O'Reilly was uncharacteristically even handed which reflects well on your treatment of this complex topic ... perhaps the fact he's and employee/beneficiary of Myspace parent FOX?
Posted by Joseph Hunkins | April 1, 2006 11:08 AM
Posted on April 1, 2006 11:08
Wow, not only did you do a great job in the interview, but the segment as a whole is actually educational / informative (e.g., rather than just being crafted into another emotion-manipulating moment of TV bad "news").
Hm, I guess Fox might have some deeper motives to show a viewpoint about Myspace that recognizes it as non-evil...
Posted by Jay Fienberg | April 1, 2006 11:12 AM
Posted on April 1, 2006 11:12
Thanks for the YouTube link - it was a pretty good interview. It's clear how uneducated older people are about the Internet and how unprepared he was for this interview - the idiot couldn't even say mySpace.
You handled it well.
Posted by AJ | April 1, 2006 12:33 PM
Posted on April 1, 2006 12:33
Congrats!
It seemed like you actually got O'Reilly to engage in a constructive dialog .. a rare occurrence.
Glad our visits to SXSW Interactive are helping keep some of us older people relevant
Posted by Trevor Richards | April 1, 2006 1:25 PM
Posted on April 1, 2006 13:25
I quite liked the segment Danah. I've been a fan of your brilliance since I discovered you through a friend on Orkut last fall.
I liked the interview and I'm glad to see it went so well. (Though it would have been awesome if he yelled to have them cut your microphone Jeremy Glick style).
Posted by Jeff Milner | April 1, 2006 4:40 PM
Posted on April 1, 2006 16:40
Have Bill O'Reilly recite back your "public space" idea was profoundly satisfying.
I wonder when the old generation will realize how much better organized the new generation is, and get scared.
Posted by Jakob Lodwick | April 1, 2006 6:59 PM
Posted on April 1, 2006 18:59
Thanks to your post I Tivo-ed it .... and got around towatching it a whileago --- it was good --- rather you were better than him ... never liked him .... but then FNC+Fox+Myspace all owned by Rupert Murdhoch ....
it seemed like a big PR ... to say its a good hangout place where bad does happen --- well isn't that what makes it fun to this demographic?
Posted by Vandy | April 2, 2006 2:26 AM
Posted on April 2, 2006 02:26
I just saw your O'Reilly segement. Excellent work.
Posted by Sam Kaufman | April 2, 2006 8:29 AM
Posted on April 2, 2006 08:29
danah,
your writing, presentations (enjoyed your take on the Gorman-bloggers affair) and blogging (and now your TV appearance) are digital outreach. cultural anthropologist is too narrow: how about new media informationist?
one thing i'm interested in is performativity and new media for librarians, and dealing with questions from traditional media (like you did with O'Reilly - it bugged me that he kept interrupting). when CBC here in Canada got hold of a story involving an editorial i wrote for the british medical journal, i was on the news and tv. from a shy, mild-mannered librarian to a new media medical informationist!
it freaked me out. it was both exhilirating, and extremely scary. it was the adrenalin rush of pushing my ideas through, and that people thought them worth discussing. it's this aspect of the web that is addictive: being heard.
in myspace, it's little wonder that teens find the performance aspect enthralling. it's the digital equivalent of coming out
Dean
ps. sorry i missed you in vancouver
Posted by Dean Giustini | April 2, 2006 11:56 AM
Posted on April 2, 2006 11:56
You did a very nice job with Bill. I have seen him be a dick to a number of guests but you realy did a superb job making your points. I was proud of you!
RCM
Posted by Randy | April 3, 2006 11:07 AM
Posted on April 3, 2006 11:07
strike one against moral panics - well done!
but danah, i'd really like your thoughts on this comment above:
'At Eastwick we've been talking about the "anthropologist" as a new job function in the world of PR and corporate communication. The work you are doing in social media is helping us to navigate the way.'
and i'm curious to know if you were given the opportunity to self-identify during the show?
Posted by Anne | April 3, 2006 3:28 PM
Posted on April 3, 2006 15:28
Nope - they declared me a "cultural anthropologist" in the text but i never speak about what i do in the interview.
Posted by zephoria | April 3, 2006 4:41 PM
Posted on April 3, 2006 16:41
Wow, well done. What I think it all came down to is how utterly out of touch O'Reilly and probably most in his age group are with the youth of today.
He was spending more time trying to indict the "kids" than to just understand what he was talking about. "Mehh, what about the drugs? and the sex and the violence?" well, you cant blame him. It would get ratings, right?
Its much different from just a few years ago. Most people O'Reilly's age haven't clued in to the myriad ways that the PC has permeated everything.
They still think that the computer is something to do turbotax, word & email with and not much more. Kids never knew a world without it.
Posted by anthropomorphic_jackalope | April 3, 2006 6:24 PM
Posted on April 3, 2006 18:24
Really, absolutely perfect. I'm so glad you didn't get sucked into any kind of combative confrontation with him, as he just thrives on that. It's a rare individual who can go on that show and have a constructive conversation with O'Reilly.
Posted by Lawrence Krubner | April 3, 2006 11:26 PM
Posted on April 3, 2006 23:26
It seemed like you actually got O'Reilly to engage in a constructive dialog .. a rare occurrence.
It probably helped that his boss owns MySpace. That's not to demean danah in any way, but that is how Murdoch works.
Posted by nick s | April 4, 2006 1:55 PM
Posted on April 4, 2006 13:55
I suppose now is as good a time as ever to declare (anonymously) that totally have a crush on danah.
Posted by anonymous | April 4, 2006 7:00 PM
Posted on April 4, 2006 19:00
Heck, I don't need to be anonymous about my crush on you. And although the YouTube link is down, from what I hear I feel comfortable saying: Job well done!
Josh
Posted by Josh Spear | April 5, 2006 11:12 AM
Posted on April 5, 2006 11:12
You rocked on the Factor.
I'm not a big MySpacer, but I hate him
solely concentrating on the negative aspects of life.
You were linked on Blogumentary Blog.
Posted by Dan | April 5, 2006 2:53 PM
Posted on April 5, 2006 14:53
I just watched your YouTube clip of the O'Reilly show. Good on ya for keeping a smooth and level voice and mind. ;o)
Posted by Ms. Jen | April 9, 2006 2:35 PM
Posted on April 9, 2006 14:35
how interesting that on a network owned by Rupert Murdoch an anchor would be so enthralled with this "myspace business" when myspace just so oddly happens to be owned by Rupert Murdoch as well. O'Reilly knows very well what myspace is, I fear.
Posted by vivivia | April 10, 2006 6:41 AM
Posted on April 10, 2006 06:41
Nifty bit of cross-promotion for Rupert and friends at News Corp. If O'Reilly we're truly a journalist, as he often claims, he would have provided viewers with full disclosure -- MySpace and Fox News Channel are two sides of the same media colossus.
Posted by Tim Karr | April 11, 2006 3:12 AM
Posted on April 11, 2006 03:12
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060411/myspace_safety_chief.html?.v=2
big brother has arrived on myspace
Posted by kb | April 11, 2006 11:06 AM
Posted on April 11, 2006 11:06
Mr.O'Reilly, I am writeing you because I think you have more influnce than anyone I know. If Pres. Bush wants to increase his rateings and ovoid a national crisis, he could have a meeting of all the good minds from all auto manafcturing, oil producers, lesislators,and come up with solution, at least let public no that he is trying.Flying around trying to convence everone of his ideas is not working.You could get this done if you wanted too.One little idea would be to stop giveing tax credit for buying large pickups gas gugglers, and give tax credit for small auto owners. Surely in this great nation there is surely some answer, and you could be the one to start this. I havent seen anyone that does more good on TV than you, Don Williams Harrisburg Il, 63946.
Posted by Don Williams | April 21, 2006 10:25 AM
Posted on April 21, 2006 10:25
Woah, you did an excellent job. It was painful to see this ignorant fellow trying to push such a stupid agenda; you sidestepped all the pushing and said sensible things. Well done.
Posted by gordsellar | April 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Posted on April 21, 2006 18:28
I don't know what clip all you people were watching who were bashing O'Reilly. He wasn't going after her, and he usually doesn't, as long as people are truthful and don't "bloviate".
Seems you just have an axe to grind.
Posted by Sterling Holobyte | May 3, 2006 8:17 AM
Posted on May 3, 2006 08:17
Good interview
I am also shocked how easy going O'reilly was. This topic is something he would normally huff and puff about.
Perhaps he doubled up his meds for the day?
Posted by sean percival | June 10, 2006 7:42 PM
Posted on June 10, 2006 19:42