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innovating mobile social technologies (damn you helio)

The next step in social technologies is mobile. Duh. Yet, a set of factors have made innovation in this space near impossible. First, carriers want to control everything. They control what goes on a handset, how much you pay for it and who else you can communicate with. Next, you have hella diverse handsets. Even if you can put an application on a phone, there’s no standard. Developers have to make a bazillion different versions of an app. To make matters worse, installing on a phone sucks and most users don’t want to do it. Plus, to make their lives easier, developers often go for Java apps and web apps which are atrociously slow and painful. All around, it’s a terrible experience for innovators, designers and users.

This headaches have a detrimental effect on the development of mobile social software. Successful social technologies requires cluster effects. Cluster effects require everyone within a particular social cluster to be able to play. If 20% of your friends can’t play because their phone/carrier won’t let them, the end result is often that NO ONE plays. Of course, there’s a tipping point where people buy a new phone or switch carriers, but that tipping point is hefty and right now, it’s for things like SMS not neuvo apps. Switching carriers is even uglier – it requires a huge drop in price.

Being able to get to basic cluster effects is the *baseline* for a mobile social app to succeed. This alone won’t make it work, but you need that to even begin. There are lots of other limitations, especially when the MoSoApp depends on geography. Take a look at something like Dodgeball. It was utterly brilliant at SXSW because 1) everyone was able to use it; 2) huge clusters were on it; 3) everyone was geographically proximate. There was a curve of use so that a fraction checked in all of the time, most checked in occasionally and a fraction never checked in. But that’s the ideal distribution for cluster effects. Still, because everyone *could* use it, it was used.

Over and over, i hear about cool technologies that involve multimedia sharing, GPS applications, graphical interfaces, etc. In theory, as research, these are great. Unfortunately, without clusters, you cannot even test the idea to see if it would make sense to a given population. 🙁

There are only three phones out there with cluster effects right now: Crackberry, Treo and Sidekick. Even still, the killer app for each of these (email or AIM) connects them not to each other but to a broader network because of non-mobile technology. Plus, each of these clusters has issues when it comes to developing for them. Crackberry appeals to the business world who is on leash to their boss. Productivity-centric apps could be helpful to this crowd, but it will not be *fun* and most of these ideas involve privacy destruction. The Treo is central around the business tech world but most of this population socializes with people who are trying out every new phone on the planet; this group is too finicky and besides, they want everything OPEN. Then there’s the Sidekick – it has penetrated the hearts and minds of urban street youth. Sadly, few designers are really interested in thinking about black urban culture. ::grumble::grumble::

When i heard that the Helio was going to launch with MySpace on board, i got super super excited. Like IM and email, MySpace is a perfect application to bridge web and mobile interactions. Sure, it only would include the communications messages and not really take advantage of the mobile issues with social networks, but it would be a good step, no? The target would inevitably be 16-30, an ideal target for dealing with mobile sociability. I was anxiously awaiting the launch, figuring that if anything could push youth to center around a technology, it would involve MySpace. From MySpace, you could actually start innovating with youth networks, location-based activities, image sharing, etc. Opportunity!

And then they launched. What marketing asshole chose the prices? $85 a month minimum on top of a $275 phone??? Has anyone not noticed that the target youth market is using the free generic phone and a $40 a month plan? You need to lure them away from their T-mobile/Sprint/Verizon plan and entice to come over. You need to do this en masse, with enthusiasm. You cannot do this for $85 a month on top of a $275 phone. ::sigh:: Opportunity lost.

There are two ways to get mobile social applications going:
1) A population needs to have access to a universal interaction platform which (except for SMS and dialing) means being on the same technology;
2) Carriers/handsets need to standardize and open up to development by outsiders.

The latter is the startup fantasy and i don’t see it happening any time soon (stupid carriers). The former is really hard because it means enticing people over away from their contracts. Plus, it means moving against gadget individuality, which is something that people have really bought into. The only way to do that is for it to be super accessible and super cool. This is unfortunately an oxymoron because cool in gadgets equals expensive which means inaccessible. While the trendsetters will all opt-in, you need the followers to come along too for cluster effects to work.

There is a third option: destroy the carriers. The possibility of WiFi phones (following blanketed WiFi) means that you just have to deal with multiple handset makers but, right now at least, they are better about openness. At least then, you’d just have one development roadblock. Unfortunately, this is probably a long way off because the telcos are in bed with legislators who are being extremely slow about universal WiFi and are all about protecting dying industries.

I hate when innovation is jammed up by bad politics and stupid forms of competition. One of the hugest challenges of convergence culture is that traditional competition doesn’t work. We’re not competing for who can create the coolest toothbrush design anymore. We’re now competing for who can build the biggest roadblocks in convergence. Today, innovation means figuring out how to best undermine the roadblocks without getting into legal trouble. Talk about a buzz kill.

So what should be done? Oh carriers, handset makers, innovators, venture capitalists, legal people… Is the goal to innovate or to control? What should be done to push past these roadblocks? (And for all of you in favor of control, remember that there are other markets besides the US/UK/Japan where innovation will occur and laws will not protect.)

Update: I want to clarify some things around youth purchasing. The youth market is 14-28. The 14-21s get their phones from their parents and are on their plans. The 21-28s get their own plans. The 14-21s are stuck with whatever free phone they get unless they can beg and plead for a cooler phone for their birthday. They also get shit plans, although many have been able to convince their parents to support SMS these days. This segment of the youth population is *key* because they are hyper active and this is when they are setting their norms for phone use these days. The way to get to them is to either make a phone that is so cool that they beg and beg for their birthday (and it fits into their parents’ plan) or to make a package so cheap that they can convince their parents to get them a separate plan because it’s economically viable. The 21-28s have more flexibility but they are still strapped for cash and are quite cautious with their plans, but if they’ve gotten used to SMS they don’t give it up. They are also more likely to take the free phone unless they are the trendsetters (because they now have to pay and begging doesn’t work). The exception to this is actually working class teens who tend to buy their own phone starting at 15/16 – they buy cooler phones but still have shit mobile plans. This is why the Sidekick worked so well in this demographic. (Note: these observations and this post are based on what i’ve seen hanging out in youth culture, not any interactions i’ve had with mobile or tech companies or any formal data i’ve collected for my dissertation. In other words, i may be very wrong.)

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31 comments to innovating mobile social technologies (damn you helio)

  • beyond SMS and dial, there is a 3rd universal interaction platform: the mobile web.

    support varies annoyingly across handsets, but it is effectively universal on contemporary devices. think of it like the state of the desktop web browser in the late 90s (IE and NN slooowly coming to terms), but a couple orders of mag worse.

    it’s real tough to build a compelling mobile web experience that aims for all (color, web-enabled) handsets, but it works. as always, content is the key.

  • don’t think there is a solution here, because the big carriers and set makers are so balanced against each other. no incentive for them to open things in any way. we’ll have to wait until some destabilizing technology comes in or a new category attacks from a flank. i think the ipod could make a decent stab at this or a handheld game platform. but the phone verticals are too entrenched for anything really exciting. nintendo will probably head to blue tooth networked gaming then 3G online gaming with mobile devices. so that’s one opportunity though not ubiquitous enough maybe? apple should really try to do something with the ipod, it has the market share. once they add networking to a device or even just blue tooth they could do something cool but the ipod isn’t open enough either. so that’s my vote, try to get apple to open enough for network apps like this or if they support web browsing/3G on an ipod then implement it that way.

  • I agree with Davee that, at this point, it will likely take an established player in another industry (like Apple in music or Nintendo in gaming) to crack the carrier stranglehold. Nintendo has demo’ed a VOIP client for the DS, but it has yet to be integrated into any software, gaming or otherwise. Unfortunately, that will also likely not happen until open WiFi (or, more likely, WiMax or it’s brethern) is widely available. At that point, though, it could be virtually anybody’s game.

    The Sidekick could make a huge impact, if only Danger had any vision as a company. They already store all your data on their servers – making that useful in a social networking way would seem trivial. Keep in mind it’s not only urban street kids that use it, but a boatload of celebs and Hollywood folks who don’t need Blackberries.

  • As a fan of your blog and a developer of a mobile social application called Rabble that is currently available on Verizon, Cingular, and Metro PCS, I had to smile when I read your post.

    Working in the carrier world today in North America is certainly not for the faint of heart. We currently support approximately 70 handsets on our way to around 100 or so across the various carriers. When we look to our next version of the product we know that we have to launch simulatneously across BREW, J2ME, WAP, Web and some other specialized environments like Flash lite.

    Whether it is us or some other larger companies, the only way to start to create the learned behavior that you can do this social thing on mobile devices, is to try to find ways to bring all the parties together and do some serious heavy lifting. To see the Helio price points, which match the demographic focus they mentioned from the start, was surprising in the context of the Myspace deal. As a developer we know that we have to launch our application on cheap low end phones because that is what the kids have. And kids predominantly are the ones that have made these massively popular sites what they are today.

  • tony

    So then we wait for the Indian,Chinese breakthrough?

  • The device/carrier problem will stay around for at least a few more years, and on a global scale we’ll be dealing with it for decades. As you explanied, the key is to go wide, and going wide in this market means SMS, Wap, and Voice. We’ve yet to see a really good SMS based social networking service. Dodgeball is a nice first try, but lacks some of the characteristics of a breakout service. Rabble is great, but has the application download issue: people don’t like to download applications. I hope, for Derrick’s sake, that this changes, but I haven’t seen a non-game application with really big user numbers.

    Who will make a mashup that mobilizes all the social networking services in a single sms/wap based interface?

  • followup: looks like apple filed a patent in december on among other things a micro browser on a networked ipod. it seems to be music specific, but at least they’re headed in that direction.

  • Might be interested in the competition announced by Siemens, GA Tech and Cingular to invite others to build on the open IMS architecture. FYI, IMS is an emerging all-IP platform that will allow many separate networks to be treated as one, among other things.

    Here’s a short quote from the press release:

    “The initial project for the relationship is an IMS Research Competition, which challenges upperclassmen and graduate students in the schools of engineering, computing and business management to team together to create services blending audio, video, text messaging, chatting and gaming in the open-systems IMS architecture. Qualified students who participate in the year-long competition will be eligible to receive a portion of $100,000 in cash prizes”

    more at http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?SESSIONID=&aId=12989

  • I hate when innovation is jammed up by bad politics and stupid forms of competition.

    I suspect this situation is normal – to be expeteced most of the time. Two quite different mindsets collude to block innovation.

    On the one hand, there are those who believe that all forms of competition are good and who are unwilling to believe that a negative result can ever arise from competition. This group is unwilling to acknowledge the existence of monopoly or oligarchy situations where competition is limited enough that firms have the power to stifle innovation.

    On the other hand, you have those who regard decentralized decision making as less legitimate than the decision making that runs through the political process and who would therefore like to run all decisions through the political process – these people are comfortable with a level of regulation that likely stifles innovation, because they feel the cost is worth paying for the fairness or social stability that they feel can be achieved through proper regulation.

    I don’t think these two mindsets map to any existing label that we commonly use in our political discourses. For instance, quite diverse groups combine forces, perhaps unknowingly, to keep subsidies flowing to otherwise dead sectors of the agricultural industry. Some of the groups who favor these subsidies are mostly concerned with social stability, some are concerned with fairness, some are concerned with tradition, some are concerned with economic stimulus. These are diverse groups, who go under different labels, but there concerns here play out in an identical manner.

    In his 1985 book, Innovation and Entreprenuership, Peter Drucker stressed that either a society valued innovation or it didn’t. No society gets to choose what kind of innovation it will favor, and what kinds it won’t. He said no society could, for instance, value innovation in high tech, while discouraging it elsewhere. My sense is that Drucker understood innovation to be a broad cultural force. That is certainly my understanding of it. Either a society values innovation in the arts, in industry, in transport, in religion, in education, in politics, in relationships, in academia, in language, in science, in housing, in race relations, etc, or it does not value innovation at all.

    I’m not sure what the answer is, except to keep reminding people of the benefits of innovation, and to keep emphasizing the broadest possible definition of innovation. The easiest way to kill support for innovation is to define it narrowly (“Innovation means everyone has to use high-tech stuff, just like I do.”)

  • Er… its been done already. My company (www.airg.com)has a mobile social network on a single platform, is available on most US carriers and many others worldwide, supports 1000s of handsets with Java, WAP 2 and WAP 1, is fairly priced and connects 7m+ users.

    What was the problem again?

  • Jimmy

    Upoc.com seems to also have this squatted in this market. 3M subs, interaction via WAP, Web, BREW, SMS, IVR. And Upoc.com can be found on the different carriers own wap decks, guaranteeing them distribution for free.

  • Tim Meyer

    MySpace on Helio misses the point. It is not about shrinking the site onto a phone or even taking some elements and pushing them out. It really is to understand what the use case would be that would compell someone to check their blog updates or even post from the phone.

    Most dating sites that do work on mobiles are sms based and there is no baggage about trying to shift user behavior. I am not sure that WAP really brings much new to this usage model.

    It will be interesting to see their implementation, put me down as a sceptic.

  • A comment from Australia (where about 92% of people SMS regularly and 100% interconnectivity between carriers exists).

    There is always a conflict between a downloadable app (eg rabble) and a ‘browseable’ (read: WAP) experience. While the downloadable is alway slicker and quicker, the browseable is more ubiquitious – more people have access to it.

    Loading this onto the carrier’s own content deck (portal) can solve the discovery problem, but can limit the community to those connected to that network (wrong!).

    There is also a substantial difference between what I call a public digital space (airg) and a true social network (self-selecting communities). In the latter, moderation and review is not required as the communication is between trusted (and selected) individuals – effectively private. In the public digital, moderation is required.

    We have both a digital public (KinkKommunity) and a social network (Tribz) product and their market and marketing needs to be different. What needs to be the same, however, is that they ENABLE people to communciate in ways they chose without restriction or barriers.

    We’ll build the world we want if we’re given the right tools, as long as no-one tells us what we can do with them,

  • I’ve developed code with J2ME before, and it’s no treat. I agree that mobile web based apps might be better, but handsets have to catch up.

    I think the carriers are a problem as well. Mobile data is about what I imagine the web would be without Net Neutrality.

  • mcm

    So what are cluster effects? Any chance you can give a citation on that for those of us that want to read more? Thanks a lot!

  • Long Ago Y!

    Kids don’t have shit plans. Kids have shared plans with their parents.

    Average usage in the 13-17 year old set is 800 minutes a month (little under for boys, a little over for girls). That is appreciably more usage than their parents.

    FWIW, a mobile content/networking company that has to run on the carrier deck is going to have a really hard time of it. If you develop off deck, you don’t have to pay the carrier “tax” of ~40% of top line revenues.

    The real problem with MVNO’s is the distribution of handsets. ~50% of handsets are sold by the carriers in carrier owned stores. MVNO’s will never touch those customers. Of the remaining 50% five retailers sell 80% of the handsets.

    Walmart sells 32% and RadioShack sells 28% (target, circuit city and best buy combine for ~20%). None of those are retailers a supplier should be happy to deal with. They are all retailers that squeeze the hell out of suppliers on margins.

    Add into that the whole carrier contract issue…

  • Anita

    thanks. some of the reach/ good experience issue right now is that we still measure good experience by the same metrics as good desktop experience… pretty, slick, fast. but in fact, there are other dimensions that are available and desired on the phone – context specific, short/ quick tasks, etc. [which can be controlled by application content]

    the carrier/ device problem is getting better. but remember the reason the US carriers are doing this is $. they make a lot of it. until there is a way to prove that they can make more of it by opening up, or until someone with more $ coaxes them, that prob won’t happen.

    helio i agree may have things a bit too high for the youth mass market right now. but, im not totally sure they’ve missed the mark that hugely. they are a boutique device. and they’ve got an all inclusive package. MMS, data, voice. everything you want is there… and easily.

  • gordon

    There is a new mobile social networking application available in the UK that is a pure SMS play.

    http://www.vixo.com

  • CaptainWigster

    Check out WamPad.com you can browse MySpace profiles with a WAP enabled phone. Wampad.com is doing exactly what I’ve been working on developing as a business, and they aren’t looking too bad, damn them.

  • Helio’s choice wouldn’t make sense if was the only move they did in mobile, but actually, it’s only their first.

    That is to say, when you dominate the market, it’s smart to enter a “vertical” on the high-end, then LATER trickle lower-end and ubiquitous versions down. Doing it this way, they:
    1) learn usage from a sub-set of the audience
    2) won’t overwhelm customer support & other operations
    3) position the product a coveted thing

    So in 6 to 12 months, as they roll out teen-on-the-street versions, they’ll get the maximum take from the market’s “long tail.”

    It does, however, create a window of opportunity for a bottom-up mobile social network to take a niche or two.

  • hypertokyo

    Developers have had to develop for thousands of handsets.. but that wouldn’t be the case if there existed an open-source platform, which worked on a reasonable variety of phones, including J2ME, Symbian and what have you, to develop on. And that’s why I’m excited about bluepulse (www.bluepulse.com), which is exactly that.
    Now if someone would develop a social networking app which works on it.

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  • zinoxelectronics

    ZINOXELECTRONICS,IS HERE WITH TRIMENDOUS PRICE SLASH FOR IT’S CUSTOMERS IN THIS NEW YEAR.VISIT OUT STORES WITH YOUR DEMAND RANGING FROM MOBILE PHONES, LAPTOPS,IPODS,MP3 /MP4 PLAYERS AND ALL ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS GADGET.
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    NOKIA N95 AT JUST $280USD
    NOKIA N93 AT JUST $250usd
    NOKIA N92 AT JUST $220usd
    NOKIA N91 AT JUST $200usd
    NOKIA N80 AT JUST $160usd
    NOKIA N90 AT JUST $200usd
    Nokia N70 At JUST $140usd
    NOKIA N73 AT JUST $210usd
    NOKIA E61 AT JUST $120USD
    NOKIA 7600(UNLOCKED)–US$170
    NOKIA 8910 Titanium– US$100
    NOKIA 8800 SIROCO ….$200USD
    NOKIA 8850 SPECIAL EDITION– US$110
    NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION– US$100
    NOKIA 8910 Black– US$110
    NOKIA 9210 Communicator– US$110
    NOKIA 9210i Communicator– US$110
    NOKIA 8910i– US$150
    NOKIA 9500 AT JUST $195usd,
    NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION– US$120,
    NOKIA 9300 AT JUST $160usd,
    Nokia Vertu 155$
    Nokia 5140i 125$
    Nokia 6230i 115$
    Nokia 7200 133$
    Nokia 6230 145$
    Nokia 6820 120$
    Nokia 7600 105$
    Nokia 6600 120$
    Nokia 6800 105$
    Nokia 6220 120$
    Nokia 6620 120$
    Nokia 7250i 65$
    Nokia 8910i 120$

    SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)– US$180
    SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)—US$200
    SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK)—US$200
    SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR …$210USD
    Sony Ericsson P910i…..270 USD
    SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST $140usd
    SONY ERICSSON W900i AT JUST $220usd
    SONY ERICSSON 810i AT JUST $240USD
    SONY ERICSSON W550i AT JUST $190USD

    MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 FOR JUST ……$120USD
    MOTOROLA MPX 200 FOR JUST ……$115USD
    MOTOROLA RAZR V3C FOR JUST…….$140USD
    MOTOROLA V3I DOLCE & GABBANA …..$160USD
    MOTOROLA V3X…………….. ….$150USD
    MOTOROLA V3C………………….$155USD
    MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $120usd,
    MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $160usd,
    MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST $145USD
    Motorola V303…….100 USD
    Motorola V400…….150 USD
    Motorola V500…….150 USD
    Motorola V501…….200 USD
    Motorola V525…….150 USD
    Motorola V80 with Bluetooth…260 USD
    Motorola V872…..200 USD
    Motorola V878….180 USD
    Motorola V300….150 USD
    SAMSUNG D500 ——– $160usd
    SAMSUNG D415 ——— $120usd
    Samsung E600———-140 USD
    Samsung E800——–180 USD
    Samsung P510——-120 USD
    Samsung SGH-D410 —-200 USD
    Samsung SGH-D500 —–270 USD
    Samsung SGH-E700 —-150 USD
    Samsung SGH-E715 —–170 USD
    Samsung SGH-P100 —–130 USD
    Samsung SGH-P400 —–95 USD
    Samsung SGH-P408 —–240 USD
    Samsung SGH-P730—–150 USD
    Samsung SGH-S300M—–100 USD
    Samsung SGH-S500.—–100 USD
    Samsung SGH-V200—– 110 USD
    Samsung SGH-X400—- 100 USD
    Samsung SGH-X430—–100 USD
    Samsung SGH-X600—–100 USD
    Samsung X450———100 USD

    PALM TREO 650 ——- $140usd
    PALM TREO 700W — $160usd
    PALM TREO 600 —— $120usd
    ETEN G500———$280
    ETEN Torg 120——$320
    ETEN M600 ——–$320
    ETEN G500 GSM GPS PDA——$280
    TOMTOM GO 910 ——- 280usd
    TOMTOM GO 710 ——–200usd
    TOMTOM GO 510 ——- 180usd
    TOMTOM GO 300 ——–150usd

    NEXTEL 1930i ——120USD
    NEXTEL i870 ——-140usd
    NEXTEL i450 ——-90usd
    NEXTEL 1860 ——–110USD
    NEXTEL i90c ——-95USD
    NEXTEL i95cl ——-100USD
    NEXTEL i30sx ——-103USD
    NEXTEL i88s ——-40USD
    NEXTEL i35s ——–30USD
    NEXTEL i58sr —— 55USD
    NEXTEL i2000 —— 50USD
    NEXTEL i850 ——-105usd

    SIDEKICK 1 ——— $100 USD
    SIDEKICK 2 ———$120USD
    T-MOBILE SIDEKICK—–$150USD
    iMate Jasjar———-$250usd
    Imate K Jam———–$170usd
    iMate PDA2k———–$210usd
    I-MATE Smartflip —- $140
    I-MATE SP5 ———–$150
    I-MATE SP5m ——— $155
    I-MATE SP4m ——— $120
    I-MATE JAM Black —- $150
    I-MATE PDA2 ——— $190
    I-MATE PDA2k ——– $168
    I-MATE SP3i ——— $132
    I-MATE SP3 ———–$135
    I-MATE Pocket PC ——– $140
    I-MATE Smartphone2 ——-$110
    I-MATE Smartphone ——–$115
    Blackberry 7290——–$150
    AT&T Blackberry7280—-$180
    Blackberry 16MB col—-$220
    Blackberry 8700c ——$250
    Blackberry 7230 ——-$220
    Blackberry 7290 ——-$180
    SONY VAIO A217S– 100GB– 512MB RAM– XP HOME————-$300
    SONY VAIO B1VP– 40GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP PRO————–$330
    SONY VAIO T370P/L– 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————-$200
    SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP——————$2450
    SONY VAIO A397XP– 80GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————-$300
    SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$250
    SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$400
    SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$350
    SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$350
    SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————–$450
    SONY VAIO B1VP– 40GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP PRO————-$200
    SONY VAIO T370P/L– 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP PRO———-$400
    SONY VAIO LAPTOP– VGN-A117S—————$300
    Toshiba Satellite PRO L10————— $320
    Toshiba M200————— $500
    Toshiba R100————— $450
    Toshiba Qosmio E10————— $650
    Toshiba Satellite PRO L20————— $250
    Toshiba M100————— $680
    Toshiba M300————— $740
    Toshiba Portege————— A200 $320
    Toshiba Satellite L10————— $330
    Toshiba Qosmio F20————— $500
    Dell Laptops
    Dell Latitude D600————— $290
    Dell Latitude D500————— $200
    Dell Inspiron 6000————— $350
    Dell Latitude D505————— $340
    Dell Latitude D610————— $460
    Dell Latitude D510————— $320
    Dell Inspiron 9300————— $530
    Dell Inspiron 700m—————-$1020
    Dell Inspiron 700M for Home (Pentium M 1.70GHz, 512MB, 40GB)== $550
    Dell Inspiron 2200 for Home (Celeron 1.50GHz, 256MB, 40GB)== $400
    PLASMA TV PRICES
    Samsung HP-R5052 50 Plasma TV AT JUST $900
    Gateway 42″ Plasma TV 16 : 9 AT JUST $750
    Panasonic TH-37PWD8UK Plasma AT JUST $920
    Dell W5001C 50-inch High AT JUST $700
    Samsung SPN4235 Widescreen AT JUST $850
    Pioneer Plasma 61″ HDTV AT JUST $900
    Pioneer PDP-5060HD Plasma tv AT JUST $650
    Samsung SPN4235 Widescreen tv AT JUST $1000
    Sony FWD-50PX1 50″ Plasma AT JUST $1,200
    Sony KDE-61XBR950 Plasma TV AT JUST $1,400

    ipods
    20GB iPod 20GB iPod ………….45USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD
    Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD
    Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
    Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
    Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
    Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
    Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
    Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD
    Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD
    Apple 80 GB iPod Vidoe……………….200USD

    play station 2 ….$130
    play station 3 …..$250

    Sony PSP giga pack(colour white)…$150
    Sony PSP giga pack(colour black)…$150
    Nintendo WII for just ………….$200

    x_box 360………$170
    Xbox Video Game System Console $150
    Xbox 360 Core System $100
    Xbox Zenith 5′ TFT LCD Screen $80
    Xbox 360 Platinum System $120
    Xbox 360 “Premium Gold Pack” Video Game System $130

    NIKON D80 DIGITAL CAMERA — $550.
    Canon EOS 400D — $300
    Canon PowerShot A640 — $150

    CONTACT CARL HARFORD ON +447024018877 OR EMAIL zinoxelectronics@hotmail.co.uk

    THANKS.MANAGEMENT
    ZINOXELECTRONICS

  • zinoxelectronics

    ZINOXELECTRONICS,IS HERE WITH TRIMENDOUS PRICE SLASH FOR IT’S CUSTOMERS IN THIS NEW YEAR.VISIT OUT STORES WITH YOUR DEMAND RANGING FROM MOBILE PHONES, LAPTOPS,IPODS,MP3 /MP4 PLAYERS AND ALL ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS GADGET.
    BELOW ARE THE RANGE OF MOBILE PHONES AVAILABLE IN STOCK AND THEIR VARIOUS PRICES.ALL OUR PRODUCTS COMES WITH 1 YEAR INTERNATIONAL WARRANTY.
    CALL US ON +447024018877 OR WRITE US ON zinoxelectronics@hotmail.co.uk,WITH YOUR ORDER REQUEST
    BELOW ARE THE RANGE OF MOBILE PHONES AVAILABLE IN STOCK AND THEIR VARIOUS PRICES.
    NOKIA N95 AT JUST $280USD
    NOKIA N93 AT JUST $250usd
    NOKIA N92 AT JUST $220usd
    NOKIA N91 AT JUST $200usd
    NOKIA N80 AT JUST $160usd
    NOKIA N90 AT JUST $200usd
    Nokia N70 At JUST $140usd
    NOKIA N73 AT JUST $210usd
    NOKIA E61 AT JUST $120USD
    NOKIA 7600(UNLOCKED)–US$170
    NOKIA 8910 Titanium– US$100
    NOKIA 8800 SIROCO ….$200USD
    NOKIA 8850 SPECIAL EDITION– US$110
    NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION– US$100
    NOKIA 8910 Black– US$110
    NOKIA 9210 Communicator– US$110
    NOKIA 9210i Communicator– US$110
    NOKIA 8910i– US$150
    NOKIA 9500 AT JUST $195usd,
    NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION– US$120,
    NOKIA 9300 AT JUST $160usd,
    Nokia Vertu 155$
    Nokia 5140i 125$
    Nokia 6230i 115$
    Nokia 7200 133$
    Nokia 6230 145$
    Nokia 6820 120$
    Nokia 7600 105$
    Nokia 6600 120$
    Nokia 6800 105$
    Nokia 6220 120$
    Nokia 6620 120$
    Nokia 7250i 65$
    Nokia 8910i 120$

    SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)– US$180
    SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)—US$200
    SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK)—US$200
    SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR …$210USD
    Sony Ericsson P910i…..270 USD
    SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST $140usd
    SONY ERICSSON W900i AT JUST $220usd
    SONY ERICSSON 810i AT JUST $240USD
    SONY ERICSSON W550i AT JUST $190USD

    MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 FOR JUST ……$120USD
    MOTOROLA MPX 200 FOR JUST ……$115USD
    MOTOROLA RAZR V3C FOR JUST…….$140USD
    MOTOROLA V3I DOLCE & GABBANA …..$160USD
    MOTOROLA V3X…………….. ….$150USD
    MOTOROLA V3C………………….$155USD
    MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $120usd,
    MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $160usd,
    MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST $145USD
    Motorola V303…….100 USD
    Motorola V400…….150 USD
    Motorola V500…….150 USD
    Motorola V501…….200 USD
    Motorola V525…….150 USD
    Motorola V80 with Bluetooth…260 USD
    Motorola V872…..200 USD
    Motorola V878….180 USD
    Motorola V300….150 USD
    SAMSUNG D500 ——– $160usd
    SAMSUNG D415 ——— $120usd
    Samsung E600———-140 USD
    Samsung E800——–180 USD
    Samsung P510——-120 USD
    Samsung SGH-D410 —-200 USD
    Samsung SGH-D500 —–270 USD
    Samsung SGH-E700 —-150 USD
    Samsung SGH-E715 —–170 USD
    Samsung SGH-P100 —–130 USD
    Samsung SGH-P400 —–95 USD
    Samsung SGH-P408 —–240 USD
    Samsung SGH-P730—–150 USD
    Samsung SGH-S300M—–100 USD
    Samsung SGH-S500.—–100 USD
    Samsung SGH-V200—– 110 USD
    Samsung SGH-X400—- 100 USD
    Samsung SGH-X430—–100 USD
    Samsung SGH-X600—–100 USD
    Samsung X450———100 USD

    PALM TREO 650 ——- $140usd
    PALM TREO 700W — $160usd
    PALM TREO 600 —— $120usd
    ETEN G500———$280
    ETEN Torg 120——$320
    ETEN M600 ——–$320
    ETEN G500 GSM GPS PDA——$280
    TOMTOM GO 910 ——- 280usd
    TOMTOM GO 710 ——–200usd
    TOMTOM GO 510 ——- 180usd
    TOMTOM GO 300 ——–150usd

    NEXTEL 1930i ——120USD
    NEXTEL i870 ——-140usd
    NEXTEL i450 ——-90usd
    NEXTEL 1860 ——–110USD
    NEXTEL i90c ——-95USD
    NEXTEL i95cl ——-100USD
    NEXTEL i30sx ——-103USD
    NEXTEL i88s ——-40USD
    NEXTEL i35s ——–30USD
    NEXTEL i58sr —— 55USD
    NEXTEL i2000 —— 50USD
    NEXTEL i850 ——-105usd

    SIDEKICK 1 ——— $100 USD
    SIDEKICK 2 ———$120USD
    T-MOBILE SIDEKICK—–$150USD
    iMate Jasjar———-$250usd
    Imate K Jam———–$170usd
    iMate PDA2k———–$210usd
    I-MATE Smartflip —- $140
    I-MATE SP5 ———–$150
    I-MATE SP5m ——— $155
    I-MATE SP4m ——— $120
    I-MATE JAM Black —- $150
    I-MATE PDA2 ——— $190
    I-MATE PDA2k ——– $168
    I-MATE SP3i ——— $132
    I-MATE SP3 ———–$135
    I-MATE Pocket PC ——– $140
    I-MATE Smartphone2 ——-$110
    I-MATE Smartphone ——–$115
    Blackberry 7290——–$150
    AT&T Blackberry7280—-$180
    Blackberry 16MB col—-$220
    Blackberry 8700c ——$250
    Blackberry 7230 ——-$220
    Blackberry 7290 ——-$180
    SONY VAIO A217S– 100GB– 512MB RAM– XP HOME————-$300
    SONY VAIO B1VP– 40GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP PRO————–$330
    SONY VAIO T370P/L– 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————-$200
    SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP——————$2450
    SONY VAIO A397XP– 80GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————-$300
    SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$250
    SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$400
    SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$350
    SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————$350
    SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP—————–$450
    SONY VAIO B1VP– 40GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP PRO————-$200
    SONY VAIO T370P/L– 60GB HD– 512MB RAM– XP PRO———-$400
    SONY VAIO LAPTOP– VGN-A117S—————$300
    Toshiba Satellite PRO L10————— $320
    Toshiba M200————— $500
    Toshiba R100————— $450
    Toshiba Qosmio E10————— $650
    Toshiba Satellite PRO L20————— $250
    Toshiba M100————— $680
    Toshiba M300————— $740
    Toshiba Portege————— A200 $320
    Toshiba Satellite L10————— $330
    Toshiba Qosmio F20————— $500
    Dell Laptops
    Dell Latitude D600————— $290
    Dell Latitude D500————— $200
    Dell Inspiron 6000————— $350
    Dell Latitude D505————— $340
    Dell Latitude D610————— $460
    Dell Latitude D510————— $320
    Dell Inspiron 9300————— $530
    Dell Inspiron 700m—————-$1020
    Dell Inspiron 700M for Home (Pentium M 1.70GHz, 512MB, 40GB)== $550
    Dell Inspiron 2200 for Home (Celeron 1.50GHz, 256MB, 40GB)== $400
    PLASMA TV PRICES
    Samsung HP-R5052 50 Plasma TV AT JUST $900
    Gateway 42″ Plasma TV 16 : 9 AT JUST $750
    Panasonic TH-37PWD8UK Plasma AT JUST $920
    Dell W5001C 50-inch High AT JUST $700
    Samsung SPN4235 Widescreen AT JUST $850
    Pioneer Plasma 61″ HDTV AT JUST $900
    Pioneer PDP-5060HD Plasma tv AT JUST $650
    Samsung SPN4235 Widescreen tv AT JUST $1000
    Sony FWD-50PX1 50″ Plasma AT JUST $1,200
    Sony KDE-61XBR950 Plasma TV AT JUST $1,400

    ipods
    20GB iPod 20GB iPod ………….45USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD
    Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD
    Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
    Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
    Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
    Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
    Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
    Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
    Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD
    Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD
    Apple 80 GB iPod Vidoe……………….200USD

    play station 2 ….$130
    play station 3 …..$250

    Sony PSP giga pack(colour white)…$150
    Sony PSP giga pack(colour black)…$150
    Nintendo WII for just ………….$200

    x_box 360………$170
    Xbox Video Game System Console $150
    Xbox 360 Core System $100
    Xbox Zenith 5′ TFT LCD Screen $80
    Xbox 360 Platinum System $120
    Xbox 360 “Premium Gold Pack” Video Game System $130

    NIKON D80 DIGITAL CAMERA — $550.
    Canon EOS 400D — $300
    Canon PowerShot A640 — $150

    CONTACT CARL HARFORD ON +447024018877 OR EMAIL zinoxelectronics@hotmail.co.uk

    THANKS.MANAGEMENT
    ZINOXELECTRONICS

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  • sandra

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    Dell Inspiron B130 ($450.00)
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    Dell Latitude 100L ($450,00)
    Dell Latitude D400 ($830.00)
    Dell Latitude D410 ($450)
    Dell Latitude D505 ($500.)
    Dell Latitude D6009(#500.00)
    Dell Latitude D610 ($670.00)
    Toshiba Satellite M55-S325–$750
    Toshiba Portege M400——–$870
    Toshiba Satellite M45-S165—$750
    Toshiba Tecra S3-S411TD——$750
    Toshiba Satellite M50-04N01N —$700
    Toshiba Portege M200 Tablet PC—$750
    Toshiba Satellite M50-0TJ01—–$750
    Toshiba Satellite A105-S4001—-$700
    Toshiba Satellite A105-S4014—$700
    Toshiba Tecra M5-S433 – Laptop–$550

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  • William Beaty

    I purchased the Helio Ocean in Mid July with the Total Happiness Guarantee. I returned the device after 2 weeks because it just too big. The real issue is that the auto withdraw of $154.00 for my activation and service fee and since I cancelled my service, I am still waiting for a refund. Its been a month and half and when I call the customer service they give me the run around. So buyer beware… this company sucks.

  • alex

    The D410 is very good if you want a portable laptop: it fits in normal bags and the battery life is good: better than two hours if you are only web surfing. The build quality is good, the plastic is strong.
    The screen is a bit small so if I was going to use it for long I’d put it in the docking station and plug in a big monitor.
    Performance-wise it is ok. I can play World of Warcraft on it but the frame rate is a bit sluggish, it’s not good for fighting.
    Mine is over a year old, it is on it’s second dell d410 battery from http://www.batterygoshop.co.uk/dell/latitude-d410-series-battery.htm (the extended life one, good for five hours surfing or one hour warcraft). I would imagine that there are newer and better models out now.