{"id":2022,"date":"2008-11-06T11:23:11","date_gmt":"2008-11-06T11:23:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ubuntu.my\/wp30\/archives\/2008\/11\/06\/postprop_8_seek.html"},"modified":"2008-11-06T11:23:11","modified_gmt":"2008-11-06T11:23:11","slug":"postprop_8_seek","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/archives\/2008\/11\/06\/postprop_8_seek.html","title":{"rendered":"post-Prop 8: seek an education-based reversal, not a legal challenge"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I am proud to be an American, but utterly ashamed to be a Californian.  Although I knew that Proposition 8 would be close, I still can&#8217;t accept that Californians voted to cement discrimination into the state constitution.  We have a long history of discrimination in this country.  As Anil <a href=\"http:\/\/dashes.com\/anil\/2008\/10\/in-defense-of-marriage.html\">points out<\/a>, it wasn&#8217;t that long ago when people from different racial backgrounds were forbidden to marry.  I realize that in a decade or two, we will look back with horror at the time when Americans thought it was right to treat people differently based on who they loved.  I have to smile when I think of Jon Stewart&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailyshow.com\/full-episodes\/index.jhtml?episodeId=189779\">coverage of &#8220;traditional marriage&#8221; in the middle ages<\/a>. What is the idyllic model that people have in their heads wrt marriage?  The Hollywood produced romantic comedy?  Are all relationships that don&#8217;t live up to that dream invalid?<\/p>\n<p>At this point, I&#8217;m struggling with what to do about Prop 8.  Anyone who has seen my claustrophobia in crowds understands why protesting isn&#8217;t functional for me.  I signed (and encourage you to sign) the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.petitiononline.com\/seg5130\/petition.html\">petition to re-open Prop 8<\/a>.  But that&#8217;s not that satisfying.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m also struggling because I don&#8217;t believe that legal action is the best recourse.  When I was in college studying Roe v. Wade, I reached the conclusion that the Supreme Court did a huge disservice to women.  Let me explain.  At that time, each state was slowly working to legalize abortion.  People were coming around to the idea, one at a time.  The liberal states went first, but it was gaining momentum. And then the Supreme Court stepped in and declared it legal.  The result was hugely divisive.  Those who hadn&#8217;t come around to it began to reject the Court.  Others decided that they should build up anti-choice lawyers to invade the court.  Rather than happening naturally and with the support of the masses, the Court&#8217;s involvement created a dangerous socio-political divide that we live with today.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no doubt in my mind that Prop 8 is pure discrimination and should be declared unconstitutional.  That said, I worry that a legal fight stemming from California will create another Roe v. Wade situation.  I was hoping that California would be a leader in this, just like Massachusetts. But it&#8217;s going to be ground zero for the fight.  I just think that we need to fight it on cultural grounds, not on legal grounds.<\/p>\n<p>I think that we need to spend the next year convincing those around us that this is discrimination.  I think that everyone &#8211; gay and straight &#8211; needs to start conversations about what it means to be in a same-sex loving relationship.  I&#8217;m not interested in trying to convince people that their churches should accept same-sex marriage.  I&#8217;m interested in helping people understand that church marriages are not the same as state marriages.  And that when it comes to the state, it&#8217;s of utmost importance that there&#8217;s no discrimination.  The Catholic Church is more than welcome to discriminate wrt marriage.  They already do.  You can&#8217;t get married in a Catholic church if you&#8217;re not Catholic.  But the state should not be discriminatory, especially when so many rights and freedoms and economic benefits are afforded to married couples.<\/p>\n<p>I still loathe marriage as an institution.  I&#8217;m still resentful over the baked-in, state-supported misogyny that I witnessed as a child.  That said, I recognize (and benefit from) the privileges it affords and I strongly believe that it should be available to everyone everywhere who is in a loving relationship and wants to make that lifelong commitment.<\/p>\n<p>So what&#8217;s the right move?  How do we create an education movement and not a protest or legal movement?  How do we turn hearts and minds?  I have to admit&#8230; I *loved* the anti-discrimination ads that came out of the No on 8 campaign.  How do we continue to fund information-based advertisements and get them in front of those who are in favor of denying freedoms to some?  In other words, no more ads on Comedy Central, but a lot more on Fox and the channels that those who favored 8 are most likely to watch.  How do you create a movement to change the hearts and minds of Californians?  Let&#8217;s reintroduce the ballot measure next year, but in the meantime, work to convince people that this was the wrong decision.  If we take this route &#8211; and not the legal route &#8211; I think that we will be able to do far more good in the long run.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I am proud to be an American, but utterly ashamed to be a Californian. Although I knew that Proposition 8 would be close, I still can&#8217;t accept that Californians voted to cement discrimination into the state constitution. We have a long history of discrimination in this country. As Anil points out, it wasn&#8217;t that long [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[55],"tags":[371],"class_list":["post-2022","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-culture","tag-prop8-marriage-lgbtq"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2022","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2022"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2022\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2022"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2022"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2022"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}