{"id":1057,"date":"2004-01-30T00:49:29","date_gmt":"2004-01-30T00:49:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ubuntu.my\/wp30\/archives\/2004\/01\/30\/venting_my_contempt_for_orkut.html"},"modified":"2010-05-14T17:53:55","modified_gmt":"2010-05-14T22:53:55","slug":"venting_my_contempt_for_orkut","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/archives\/2004\/01\/30\/venting_my_contempt_for_orkut.html","title":{"rendered":"venting my contempt for orkut"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As i write this, it&#8217;s down again.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean that i haven&#8217;t been thinking about it.  And dear god, everyone and their mother has written about it.  At the bottom of this rant, i&#8217;ve included some of the ones that have been making me think (and i&#8217;ve been reading a *lot*).<\/p>\n<p>OK&#8230; so my take on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.orkut.com\/\">Orkut<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>1) What the hell is up with the elitist approach to invitation?  That&#8217;s just outright insulting and an attempt to pre-configure the masses through what the technorati are doing.  Social networks are not just a product of technologists.  Everyone has a social network and what they do with it is quite diverse.  To demand that they behave by the norms of technologists is horrifying.<\/p>\n<p>2) Are trustworthy, cool, and sexy the only ways that i might classify my friends?  (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.stanford.edu\/~orkut\/self.html\">Even Orkut lists a lot more in his definition of self.<\/a>)  And since when can i rate the people that i know based on this kind of metric?<\/p>\n<p>And goddamnit CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT.  Cool as a techy?  Cool as a party kid?  Trustworthy along what fucking axes?<\/p>\n<p>3) Explain to me why one must be a friend to be a fan of someone?  The role of fan is inherently a power differential, not an equalizer.  (Don&#8217;t get me wrong: on Orkut, there&#8217;s definitely pressure to reciprocate.)  The people that i&#8217;m a fan of are not my friends; they&#8217;re idols; they&#8217;re people that i read on the interweb but do not know.<\/p>\n<p>It is sooo weird to read which of my friends are a fan of me.  Does that mean that the rest are only following social custom in linking to me?  Does that mean that they don&#8217;t really respect me?  [Or does it mean, like it means to me, that it&#8217;s too bloody weird to consider checking off that fan bit?]<\/p>\n<p>And worse&#8230; i can see who is a fan of others.  This means that i can check on my friends and figure out that they&#8217;re using the fan feature&#8230; just not on me.    Hello, socially awkward.<\/p>\n<p>4) What&#8217;s up with the popular crowd hierarchy both in visual and Friends\/Communities listing?  Have we not learned that this motivates bad behavior?<\/p>\n<p>5) Hell, haven&#8217;t we learned ANYTHING?  We still have articulation.  But worse, now that everyone is paying attention to this, the network isn&#8217;t growing naturally.  You jump on.  Fast.  And connect to everyone you recognize.  WTF?  And what the hell are you supposed to DO once you get on the damn thing?<\/p>\n<p>6) And boy is it irritating that everything is broken.  I know it&#8217;s an alpha, but it&#8217;s too popular to withstand the interest. Can&#8217;t change picture on certain parts.  Can&#8217;t delete account.  Can&#8217;t get rid of picture.  And what&#8217;s up with the regular crashes?<\/p>\n<p>7) And then there are the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.orkut.com\/terms.html\">Terms<\/a> that show contempt for academics.  There&#8217;s a blanket ban on robots, collecting information, reverse engineering, and other &#8220;unauthorized&#8221; use (hello, fair use).  You can&#8217;t even link from the damn thing (i.e. i can&#8217;t identify myself outside of the constraints of Orkut&#8230; like on my own site or identifying a research project in which i&#8217;d like people to participate.  Thus, i can&#8217;t use a social networking tool to fucking social network).  Of course, there&#8217;s not much appreciation for anyone else either. THEY OWN EVERYTHING YOU POST!!!  You CAN&#8217;T OPT OUT!  Complete registration only.<\/p>\n<p>And don&#8217;t worry&#8230; they can modify the ToS without any notice.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sure more rants are to follow.  But in the meantime, tell me why i&#8217;m wrong.   Cause i&#8217;m cranky and disappointed.  Everyone&#8217;s all excited because it&#8217;s Google.  But i feel like i just met Jar Jar.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/bopuc.levendis.com\/RowBoat\/archives\/-2004\/01\/25\/orkut_versus.php\">Boris<\/a> &#8211; traffic stat comparisons of Orkut vs. other sites<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.purselipsquarejaw.org\/2004_01_01_blogger_archives.php#107533543040942528\">Anne<\/a> on why she deleted her account.  [Also, i want to read the link to the failure of social networks, but they&#8217;ve reached their bandwidth limit.  Stupid fucking ISP.]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/huminf.uib.no\/~jill\/archives\/social_software\/patchwork.html\">Jill<\/a> on the patchwork view of one&#8217;s network<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/icite.net\/blog\/200401\/orkut_hotel.html\">Jay<\/a> on a fantastic metaphor, paralleling Orkut with a hotel lobby or cruise ship<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/foe.typepad.com\/blog\/2004\/01\/my_social_netwo.html\">Foe Romeo<\/a> on a social network ideal<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/undergroundlondon.com\/antimega\/archives\/000907.html\">Anti-Mega<\/a> on why Orkut lacks innovation<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.davidgalbraith.org\/archives\/000575.html\">David<\/a> on the politics of the ToS wrt ownership of identity<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.it\/0100198\/2004\/01\/29.html#a2216\">Marc Canter<\/a> on being banned from Orkut<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wired.com\/news\/culture\/0,1284,62070,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_3\">Wired<\/a> on Social Nets Not Making Friends<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.corante.com\/many\/archives\/2004\/01\/25\/orkut_launch_the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly.php\">Liz<\/a> &#8211; an Orkut analysis<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.corante.com\/many\/archives\/2004\/01\/25\/why_orkut_doesnt_work.php\">Ross<\/a> on why Orkut doesn&#8217;t work for him<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.corante.com\/many\/archives\/2004\/01\/23\/the_onetoone_social_network.php\">Weinberger<\/a> on the problems with the expectation to increase nodes<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.corante.com\/many\/archives\/2004\/01\/24\/orkut_brief_notes.php\">Clay<\/a> on the Orkut craze<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/radio.weblogs.com\/0121664\/2004\/01\/27.html#a356\">Dina<\/a> on her blog as her social network (and <a href=\"http:\/\/radio.weblogs.com\/0121664\/2004\/01\/27.html#a357\">why Orkut<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p><b>Update:<\/b> additional references<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jeremy.zawodny.com\/blog\/archives\/001504.html\">Jeremy<\/a> on why Google needs Orkut<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.headshift.com\/archives\/000889.cfm\">Lee<\/a> &#8211; another good rant on Orkut<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/napsterization.org\/stories\/archives\/000156.html\">Mary<\/a> on building a social network site in 24 hours&#8230; <a href=\"http:\/\/napsterization.org\/stories\/archives\/000158.html\">on privacy<\/a>&#8230; and <a href=\"http:\/\/napsterization.org\/stories\/archives\/000160.html\">on collecting baseball cards<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.halleyscomment.blogspot.com\/2004_01_25_halleyscomment_archive.html#107547590542802521\">Halley<\/a> on Orkut invitation frustration<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As i write this, it&#8217;s down again. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that i haven&#8217;t been thinking about it. And dear god, everyone and their mother has written about it. At the bottom of this rant, i&#8217;ve included some of the ones that have been making me think (and i&#8217;ve been reading a *lot*). OK&#8230; so [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1057","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-yasns"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1057","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1057"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1057\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2186,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1057\/revisions\/2186"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1057"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1057"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.zephoria.org\/thoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1057"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}