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	<title>Comments on: Skin Whitening, Tanning, and Vaseline&#8217;s Controversial Facebook Ad Campaign</title>
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		<title>By: MR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So if anything, I think that we should be complicating the stories we’re hearing and opening up space to listen to people whose experiences and struggles with these issues differ from our own.&quot;

I like that idea-- always important to look at things in the more nuanced way.

I don&#039;t know what to think, though. I have a Vietnamese friend who lives here in the States and she&#039;s always using whitening cream. Or she&#039;ll stay inside all summer to avoid the sun. She was on the track team with me once and once winter ended she brought a gigantic UV blocker to cover her face (it looked like a mask and she had to hold it up off her face), and she quit long before the end of the spring. She&#039;s obsessed with beauty. A girl brought up that this beauty practice was rooted in classism, and the girl responded, &quot;I know that, but that&#039;s not the point-- it&#039;s just different where I live,&quot; which I agreed with. On one hand, it strikes me as a bad thing and bothers me somewhat, but who are we to say anything? Is it better to say or not say anything? I don&#039;t know. It&#039;s very complicated :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So if anything, I think that we should be complicating the stories we’re hearing and opening up space to listen to people whose experiences and struggles with these issues differ from our own.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like that idea&#8211; always important to look at things in the more nuanced way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what to think, though. I have a Vietnamese friend who lives here in the States and she&#8217;s always using whitening cream. Or she&#8217;ll stay inside all summer to avoid the sun. She was on the track team with me once and once winter ended she brought a gigantic UV blocker to cover her face (it looked like a mask and she had to hold it up off her face), and she quit long before the end of the spring. She&#8217;s obsessed with beauty. A girl brought up that this beauty practice was rooted in classism, and the girl responded, &#8220;I know that, but that&#8217;s not the point&#8211; it&#8217;s just different where I live,&#8221; which I agreed with. On one hand, it strikes me as a bad thing and bothers me somewhat, but who are we to say anything? Is it better to say or not say anything? I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s very complicated :/</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heyy Congrats!!!!…. One small victory over Unilever!!!! They have taken off the “Vaseline Men Be Prepared” app from facebook, finally!!! yayyy!!! now only if we could get them to stop their racist advertisments in Asia and Africa………… and stop marketing their con products that claim to whiten skin!!! Most of all, if people could stop thinking their skin color makes them different!!!!  

Pls join the campaign: http://www.change.org/petitions/view/unilever_please_stop_marketing_racist_products</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heyy Congrats!!!!…. One small victory over Unilever!!!! They have taken off the “Vaseline Men Be Prepared” app from facebook, finally!!! yayyy!!! now only if we could get them to stop their racist advertisments in Asia and Africa………… and stop marketing their con products that claim to whiten skin!!! Most of all, if people could stop thinking their skin color makes them different!!!!  </p>
<p>Pls join the campaign: <a href="http://www.change.org/petitions/view/unilever_please_stop_marketing_racist_products" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.change.org/petitions/view/unilever_please_stop_marketing_racist_products?referer=');">http://www.change.org/petitions/view/unilever_please_stop_marketing_racist_products</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zamin Dharsi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zamin Dharsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 12:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American-Indian man (I use this term fleetingly, in order to give myself some sort of leverage in saying that I know what I&#039;m talking about) I was raised around the idea of skin-bleaching and whitening products. From an ethical perspective: these archaic forms of beauty are truly disturbing. But just because it discusses a minority issue, that doesn&#039;t mean its worse than ideals of beauty in the caucasian community. People tend to look at things on a hierarchical scale, outraged by the black-community&#039;s need for hair extensions, or eyelid surgery for asian women, or in this case, skin-bleaching creams for indian men. These ideals, although outrageous, aren&#039;t on a different scale than caucasians getting tanned, or wanting to be extremely skinny, or going bleach blond, or partaking in the silliness of silicon implants.

The truth is this: our colonial history has left us all with some absolutely atrocious ideals of beauty. But they exist, and they need to be dealt with in the appropriate manner.

Vaseline is, rather smartly actually, using social-media to activate an existing product, for an existing demographic that has an existing need. And that&#039;s okay. We need to get out of our ethnocentric perspective to look at things from the demographics&#039; point of view: there is nothing wrong with marketing a skin-bleaching formulae to a market that utilizes it, on quite a regular basis actually. There is nothing unethical about what they are doing.

But the question is: how do we polish-off our archaic, colonial, systems of beauty? And can that be done through marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American-Indian man (I use this term fleetingly, in order to give myself some sort of leverage in saying that I know what I&#8217;m talking about) I was raised around the idea of skin-bleaching and whitening products. From an ethical perspective: these archaic forms of beauty are truly disturbing. But just because it discusses a minority issue, that doesn&#8217;t mean its worse than ideals of beauty in the caucasian community. People tend to look at things on a hierarchical scale, outraged by the black-community&#8217;s need for hair extensions, or eyelid surgery for asian women, or in this case, skin-bleaching creams for indian men. These ideals, although outrageous, aren&#8217;t on a different scale than caucasians getting tanned, or wanting to be extremely skinny, or going bleach blond, or partaking in the silliness of silicon implants.</p>
<p>The truth is this: our colonial history has left us all with some absolutely atrocious ideals of beauty. But they exist, and they need to be dealt with in the appropriate manner.</p>
<p>Vaseline is, rather smartly actually, using social-media to activate an existing product, for an existing demographic that has an existing need. And that&#8217;s okay. We need to get out of our ethnocentric perspective to look at things from the demographics&#8217; point of view: there is nothing wrong with marketing a skin-bleaching formulae to a market that utilizes it, on quite a regular basis actually. There is nothing unethical about what they are doing.</p>
<p>But the question is: how do we polish-off our archaic, colonial, systems of beauty? And can that be done through marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Raul Medina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raul Medina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 12:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LatinAmerica is the other region of the world where this is so true and prevalent.
There is a saying in Mexican culture when marrying a paler tone person that people are actually &quot;improving&quot; the &quot;race&quot;.
Also please note the actors in Sopa operas and movies.
The rarely reflect the realities of the population.
This could play dangerous dynamics in the US as the largest minoroty is becoming the majority soon.
Once we all become so multicultural then the game of shades is so confusing and threatening.
Your post is insightful.

On a last note creams like this one have been very very popular in the region.
Being the most famous one, &quot;Concha Nacar&quot; which is made out of sea shells.
I don&#039;t know the chemical contents but it is probably abbrasive and not healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LatinAmerica is the other region of the world where this is so true and prevalent.<br />
There is a saying in Mexican culture when marrying a paler tone person that people are actually &#8220;improving&#8221; the &#8220;race&#8221;.<br />
Also please note the actors in Sopa operas and movies.<br />
The rarely reflect the realities of the population.<br />
This could play dangerous dynamics in the US as the largest minoroty is becoming the majority soon.<br />
Once we all become so multicultural then the game of shades is so confusing and threatening.<br />
Your post is insightful.</p>
<p>On a last note creams like this one have been very very popular in the region.<br />
Being the most famous one, &#8220;Concha Nacar&#8221; which is made out of sea shells.<br />
I don&#8217;t know the chemical contents but it is probably abbrasive and not healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
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		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most effective skin lightening cosmetios are those that contain mercury.  Mercury specifically inhibits the enzyme that makes skin dark colored.  Use of skin-lightening cosmetics containing mercury is one of the major causes of mercury poisoning in Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most effective skin lightening cosmetios are those that contain mercury.  Mercury specifically inhibits the enzyme that makes skin dark colored.  Use of skin-lightening cosmetics containing mercury is one of the major causes of mercury poisoning in Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just about the product, it&#039;s also about the context!!!

Even in africa, lot of people (especially women) use tanand others products to make their skin more white...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just about the product, it&#8217;s also about the context!!!</p>
<p>Even in africa, lot of people (especially women) use tanand others products to make their skin more white&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madeline - I understand your point but beauty has driven all sorts of painful and risky modifications to appease cultural constructs, some of which are driven by race, some of which are driven by class, some of which are driven by age, etc. Smaller noses, implants from breasts to calves, vaginal tightening, freckle removal, hair straightening and curling, liposuction, etc.  In many societies, people no longer understand the historical roots of what makes something in that society &quot;beautiful&quot; making it hard to untangle colonial histories with contemporary aesthetics and making locals really resistant to being told that they are being oppressed when they reinforce aesthetic values that have deeply problematic roots.  

(Hell, try convincing women in the US to stop wearing high heels because of the sordid history of those damn shoes; we know that they&#039;re physically dreadful but we&#039;ve also seen feminist moves to reclaim high heels ignoring the past.)  

I&#039;m not justifying the historical roots of these markers but I still find it deeply problematic to see a bunch of Americans telling Indians that they&#039;re living out racist values in their desire for whitening products.  We&#039;ve got a lot of work to do on our own turf.  And I also think that by holding on to our own racial histories, we fail to understand the caste narratives that shape a lot of Indian society.  And the ways in which things like whitening have more to do with caste than anything else.  

So if anything, I think that we should be complicating the stories we&#039;re hearing and opening up space to listen to people whose experiences and struggles with these issues differ from our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeline &#8211; I understand your point but beauty has driven all sorts of painful and risky modifications to appease cultural constructs, some of which are driven by race, some of which are driven by class, some of which are driven by age, etc. Smaller noses, implants from breasts to calves, vaginal tightening, freckle removal, hair straightening and curling, liposuction, etc.  In many societies, people no longer understand the historical roots of what makes something in that society &#8220;beautiful&#8221; making it hard to untangle colonial histories with contemporary aesthetics and making locals really resistant to being told that they are being oppressed when they reinforce aesthetic values that have deeply problematic roots.  </p>
<p>(Hell, try convincing women in the US to stop wearing high heels because of the sordid history of those damn shoes; we know that they&#8217;re physically dreadful but we&#8217;ve also seen feminist moves to reclaim high heels ignoring the past.)  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not justifying the historical roots of these markers but I still find it deeply problematic to see a bunch of Americans telling Indians that they&#8217;re living out racist values in their desire for whitening products.  We&#8217;ve got a lot of work to do on our own turf.  And I also think that by holding on to our own racial histories, we fail to understand the caste narratives that shape a lot of Indian society.  And the ways in which things like whitening have more to do with caste than anything else.  </p>
<p>So if anything, I think that we should be complicating the stories we&#8217;re hearing and opening up space to listen to people whose experiences and struggles with these issues differ from our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madeline Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand your logic in analogizing skin-whitening to tanning, I find it faulty.  Yes, both phenomena deal with skin tone, but it&#039;s naive to assume they necessarily have they have the same origins.  Do white people undergo painful and risky surgery to flatten the bridges of their noses, create epicanthic folds, or acquire other phenotypically &quot;non-white&quot; features?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand your logic in analogizing skin-whitening to tanning, I find it faulty.  Yes, both phenomena deal with skin tone, but it&#8217;s naive to assume they necessarily have they have the same origins.  Do white people undergo painful and risky surgery to flatten the bridges of their noses, create epicanthic folds, or acquire other phenotypically &#8220;non-white&#8221; features?</p>
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		<title>By: &#124; Balu &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#124; Balu &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you pretty much nailed it. But calling Vaseline racists is unfound and these companies are just playing on the way people think in these regions. Apart from Vaseline there are way too many Indian brands doing the same thing. That said I think you should take a look at this comic that explains the scenario.
http://www.flyyoufools.com/indian-fairness-creams-comic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you pretty much nailed it. But calling Vaseline racists is unfound and these companies are just playing on the way people think in these regions. Apart from Vaseline there are way too many Indian brands doing the same thing. That said I think you should take a look at this comic that explains the scenario.<br />
<a href="http://www.flyyoufools.com/indian-fairness-creams-comic" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.flyyoufools.com/indian-fairness-creams-comic?referer=');">http://www.flyyoufools.com/indian-fairness-creams-comic</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hollie Mendenhall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hollie Mendenhall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting thoughts- I do think it&#039;s more complicated and related to the culture of the country.  This is why my husband, in his new job of supporting international locations, studies up on cultural statutes before even talking with those people, so he doesn&#039;t offend.  Also, (danah- you will understand my ultimate &quot;music geek&quot; coming out)  there is a great musical that deals with this exact issue, set in the Caribbean called &quot;Once on this Island&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting thoughts- I do think it&#8217;s more complicated and related to the culture of the country.  This is why my husband, in his new job of supporting international locations, studies up on cultural statutes before even talking with those people, so he doesn&#8217;t offend.  Also, (danah- you will understand my ultimate &#8220;music geek&#8221; coming out)  there is a great musical that deals with this exact issue, set in the Caribbean called &#8220;Once on this Island&#8221;</p>
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