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		<title>By: Hanneke Mertens</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2009/05/01/facebook_and_ac.html/comment-page-1#comment-19114</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanneke Mertens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,


I ve read your blog &quot;is facebook for old people&quot; and think you like the following video on YouTube.


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpaIXTKNuU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpaIXTKNuU&lt;/a&gt;


It is a vlog from Nerimon explaining why he hates Facebook and describing how all of his friends delete their myspace account and create a facebook one instead. (He has a facebook account himself btw)


Greetings,


Hanneke Mertens
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I ve read your blog &#8220;is facebook for old people&#8221; and think you like the following video on YouTube.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpaIXTKNuU" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpaIXTKNuU&amp;referer=');">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpaIXTKNuU</a></p>
<p>It is a vlog from Nerimon explaining why he hates Facebook and describing how all of his friends delete their myspace account and create a facebook one instead. (He has a facebook account himself btw)</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Hanneke Mertens</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Sinsheimer</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2009/05/01/facebook_and_ac.html/comment-page-1#comment-19113</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Sinsheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 10:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supreme   court  a middle  school   student     posted     comments    on his   personal     face book   page   about    the teacher   at his    school     these   comments     were    mean  spirited  and contained     statements   that were  false  . these   statements  if true  could   get the teacher  fired    the principal   heard  about and saw the  comments   ?


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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2009/05/01/facebook_and_ac.html/comment-page-1#comment-19112</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 23:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am unclear as how the issue here is being framed. Does Facebook cause lower/higher grades? Lower or higheer than what?


Than &quot;non-facebook users&quot;? But what does that really mean? People who prefer other social media over facebook? People who never or rarely use social media at all?


I&#039;m sensing a bit of conceptual slop in the way the issue is being framed. The sensible question would seem to be whether grades are correlated with degree of use of social media, and whether this effect differs based on the medium or media of choice. Framing it that way, it makes sense to investigate. The idea of  &quot;the effect of Facebook on grades&quot; strikes me as one of those psuedo-notions that appears to mean something - until one thinks it through and discovers it means little or nothing.


One possible reason for a correlation of Facebook use with higher grades could be that Facebook users are known to be (to use a bit of teen slang ca 2004) &quot;prep&quot;. I.e. Academically skilled and conventionally achievement-oriented. Would it suprise anybody that preps get better grades than (say) gamers?  But that would hardly be an effect of the Facebook medium on grades. Rather the better grades and the media choice would have a common cause in the subject&#039;s personality and subcultural orientation.


These researchers need to be more clear about what questions they are asking before their results will be a useful contribution to the dialogue.


Just a thought,
-Steve


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am unclear as how the issue here is being framed. Does Facebook cause lower/higher grades? Lower or higheer than what?</p>
<p>Than &#8220;non-facebook users&#8221;? But what does that really mean? People who prefer other social media over facebook? People who never or rarely use social media at all?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sensing a bit of conceptual slop in the way the issue is being framed. The sensible question would seem to be whether grades are correlated with degree of use of social media, and whether this effect differs based on the medium or media of choice. Framing it that way, it makes sense to investigate. The idea of  &#8220;the effect of Facebook on grades&#8221; strikes me as one of those psuedo-notions that appears to mean something &#8211; until one thinks it through and discovers it means little or nothing.</p>
<p>One possible reason for a correlation of Facebook use with higher grades could be that Facebook users are known to be (to use a bit of teen slang ca 2004) &#8220;prep&#8221;. I.e. Academically skilled and conventionally achievement-oriented. Would it suprise anybody that preps get better grades than (say) gamers?  But that would hardly be an effect of the Facebook medium on grades. Rather the better grades and the media choice would have a common cause in the subject&#8217;s personality and subcultural orientation.</p>
<p>These researchers need to be more clear about what questions they are asking before their results will be a useful contribution to the dialogue.</p>
<p>Just a thought,<br />
-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter Hargittai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eszter Hargittai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 07:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace, thanks for your note and glad to hear that you took a careful look at the study as well.


Aryn Karpinski&#039;s response is here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2503/2183&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2503/2183&lt;/a&gt;


Our response to her response is here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2504/2187&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2504/2187&lt;/a&gt;




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace, thanks for your note and glad to hear that you took a careful look at the study as well.</p>
<p>Aryn Karpinski&#8217;s response is here:<br />
<a href="http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2503/2183" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2503/2183?referer=');">http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2503/2183</a></p>
<p>Our response to her response is here:<br />
<a href="http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2504/2187" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2504/2187?referer=');">http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2504/2187</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grace Hess-Quimbita</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2009/05/01/facebook_and_ac.html/comment-page-1#comment-19110</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Hess-Quimbita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 07:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ezter Hargittai: Thank you for the rapid follow-up study of the AERA Facebook-GPA presentation.  And thanks to Zephoria for highlighting it.  Having gone through the ringer as a Ph.D student, it aggravates me that  most media and their readers don&#039;t understand basic research -but I am not surprised given the state of teaching critical thinking skills to the masses.


Anyhow, back in April, I communicated to parents that the Karpinsky&#039;s study was only exploratory in nature.  I found myself writing a piece on correlation and how, we can&#039;t make any conclusions on causal effect (even with these follow-up studies. It will be a while longer before any conclusions can be made. I wrote more about this here:


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.examiner.com/x-5337-LA-Learning-Success-Examiner~y2009m4d18-Facebook-does-not-cause-lower-GPAs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.examiner.com/x-5337-LA-Learning-Success-Examiner~y2009m4d18-Facebook-does-not-cause-lower-GPAs&lt;/a&gt;


for those interested.


I could not find Aryn Karpinsky&#039;s response to the FM article.  Is there another link for her response.  I also was in communication with her during the conference and I (probably the only one at the time) actually read over her poster before publishing my article. If you could send me a link to her repsonse, that would be greatly appreciated.  I hope to attach FM study to my April article.


Thanks so much. Grace
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ezter Hargittai: Thank you for the rapid follow-up study of the AERA Facebook-GPA presentation.  And thanks to Zephoria for highlighting it.  Having gone through the ringer as a Ph.D student, it aggravates me that  most media and their readers don&#8217;t understand basic research -but I am not surprised given the state of teaching critical thinking skills to the masses.</p>
<p>Anyhow, back in April, I communicated to parents that the Karpinsky&#8217;s study was only exploratory in nature.  I found myself writing a piece on correlation and how, we can&#8217;t make any conclusions on causal effect (even with these follow-up studies. It will be a while longer before any conclusions can be made. I wrote more about this here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-5337-LA-Learning-Success-Examiner~y2009m4d18-Facebook-does-not-cause-lower-GPAs" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.examiner.com/x-5337-LA-Learning-Success-Examiner_y2009m4d18-Facebook-does-not-cause-lower-GPAs?referer=');">http://www.examiner.com/x-5337-LA-Learning-Success-Examiner~y2009m4d18-Facebook-does-not-cause-lower-GPAs</a></p>
<p>for those interested.</p>
<p>I could not find Aryn Karpinsky&#8217;s response to the FM article.  Is there another link for her response.  I also was in communication with her during the conference and I (probably the only one at the time) actually read over her poster before publishing my article. If you could send me a link to her repsonse, that would be greatly appreciated.  I hope to attach FM study to my April article.</p>
<p>Thanks so much. Grace</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac B2</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2009/05/01/facebook_and_ac.html/comment-page-1#comment-19109</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac B2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 07:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coincidental or causal relationship? i think probably the former, though it&#039;s interesting to speculate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidental or causal relationship? i think probably the former, though it&#8217;s interesting to speculate.</p>
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		<title>By: James Pustejovsky</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2009/05/01/facebook_and_ac.html/comment-page-1#comment-19108</link>
		<dc:creator>James Pustejovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 15:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. Just looked at the First Monday article and the response. It&#039;s cool that Pasek, more, &amp; Hargittai put in the effort and thought to provide more evidence about this question. However, I think their message could use some more tweaking. Their simple regression analysis hasn&#039;t shown that Facebook use and GPA are &quot;likely unrelated,&quot; rather just demonstrated that there doesn&#039;t appear to be any strong (linear) correlation in the populations represented by the studies they used.


They should also provide confidence bounds for their estimates. Why brag about having probability samples (in two out of three-it sounds like the UIC study isn&#039;t actually a &quot;representative&quot; probability sample), if don&#039;t put them to use?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. Just looked at the First Monday article and the response. It&#8217;s cool that Pasek, more, &#038; Hargittai put in the effort and thought to provide more evidence about this question. However, I think their message could use some more tweaking. Their simple regression analysis hasn&#8217;t shown that Facebook use and GPA are &#8220;likely unrelated,&#8221; rather just demonstrated that there doesn&#8217;t appear to be any strong (linear) correlation in the populations represented by the studies they used.</p>
<p>They should also provide confidence bounds for their estimates. Why brag about having probability samples (in two out of three-it sounds like the UIC study isn&#8217;t actually a &#8220;representative&#8221; probability sample), if don&#8217;t put them to use?</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Aurilio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Aurilio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Brynn, thanks for taking the time to challenge the discursive aerobics of the media. My institution&#039;s PR folks contacted me about talking to WSJ on that article, during AERA here in San Diego.  Down the food chain a few notches, I just paraphrased my colleague&#039;s refusal to comment without having more time to investigate the article and the discourse around it.
Eep....:)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Brynn, thanks for taking the time to challenge the discursive aerobics of the media. My institution&#8217;s PR folks contacted me about talking to WSJ on that article, during AERA here in San Diego.  Down the food chain a few notches, I just paraphrased my colleague&#8217;s refusal to comment without having more time to investigate the article and the discourse around it.<br />
Eep&#8230;.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Calder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Calder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 10:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Sun-Sentinel education reporter recently visited one of my classes to talk to the kids about their use of technology. He only used a few quotes from a 90 minute interview, but it was an eye-opener for me.


The class I let him talk to was my most articulate, but I had no idea they had thought long (and well) about incorporating Facebook, Twitter, blogging and texting in varying proportions according to their needs. I think they all have MySpace pages but abandoned them to some extent since middle school. Music brings them back there.


I feel that we may be looking at cases of successful adaptation rather than good grades versus bad grades. S Korean studies on obsessive behaviour may be an important tool.


I wonder if putting them into some kind of x dimensional vector map like Mail&#039;s spam filter would be useful.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Sun-Sentinel education reporter recently visited one of my classes to talk to the kids about their use of technology. He only used a few quotes from a 90 minute interview, but it was an eye-opener for me.</p>
<p>The class I let him talk to was my most articulate, but I had no idea they had thought long (and well) about incorporating Facebook, Twitter, blogging and texting in varying proportions according to their needs. I think they all have MySpace pages but abandoned them to some extent since middle school. Music brings them back there.</p>
<p>I feel that we may be looking at cases of successful adaptation rather than good grades versus bad grades. S Korean studies on obsessive behaviour may be an important tool.</p>
<p>I wonder if putting them into some kind of x dimensional vector map like Mail&#8217;s spam filter would be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter Hargittai</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2009/05/01/facebook_and_ac.html/comment-page-1#comment-19105</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter Hargittai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 06:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, danah, for posting about this.


Jon, I just wanted to clarify that all of the analyses reported in these studies look at the difference between those who use Facebook at all versus those who do not.  These analyses have not considered the implications of different amounts or different types of Facebook use. Those would be interesting areas for exploration.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, danah, for posting about this.</p>
<p>Jon, I just wanted to clarify that all of the analyses reported in these studies look at the difference between those who use Facebook at all versus those who do not.  These analyses have not considered the implications of different amounts or different types of Facebook use. Those would be interesting areas for exploration.</p>
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