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		<title>By: Amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree.


I tend to think that for women under the age of 45, gender is just less important. I guess in part thanks to the struggles of our mothers, I don&#039;t feel that I have ever been held back professionally by the fact that I am female. (although saying that, I don&#039;t have kids) For women of my generation its more to do with character than gender - I would rather have a good male boss than a sub-standard female one; I would rather be represented politically by a strong male candidate than a female one who I don&#039;t trust...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree.</p>
<p>I tend to think that for women under the age of 45, gender is just less important. I guess in part thanks to the struggles of our mothers, I don&#8217;t feel that I have ever been held back professionally by the fact that I am female. (although saying that, I don&#8217;t have kids) For women of my generation its more to do with character than gender &#8211; I would rather have a good male boss than a sub-standard female one; I would rather be represented politically by a strong male candidate than a female one who I don&#8217;t trust&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/05/23/this_aint_about.html/comment-page-1#comment-18028</link>
		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re starting to see the emotional downfall of some Clinton backers who are too emotionally vested in their candidate.  I&#039;ve seen a number of stories like this in the last couple weeks -


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/255453&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/255453&lt;/a&gt;


I have to question if Hillary Clinton&#039;s comments about sexism are just trying to encourage some of these debates that are more emotionally-fueled than rational.  I&#039;ve also read a number of stories about Clinton supporters (some large groups) saying they will support McCain in the fall if she doesn&#039;t win the nomination.  This type of behavior and threats just drive me crazy.  I can&#039;t believe people are so upset that they would direct their anger towards a candidate whose beliefs line up so close to their own candidate&#039;s.


I feel a bit un-PC (or maybe sexist? :) for saying this, but it reminds me a bit of a group of girls gossiping and dissing a guy who&#039;s about to dump their girlfriend.  Hillary needs to get in there and say &quot;thank you for your concern, but we have more important issues to deal with.  I&#039;m trying prove I&#039;m a strong female leader, not the victim.&quot;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re starting to see the emotional downfall of some Clinton backers who are too emotionally vested in their candidate.  I&#8217;ve seen a number of stories like this in the last couple weeks -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/255453" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.digitaljournal.com/article/255453?referer=');">http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/255453</a></p>
<p>I have to question if Hillary Clinton&#8217;s comments about sexism are just trying to encourage some of these debates that are more emotionally-fueled than rational.  I&#8217;ve also read a number of stories about Clinton supporters (some large groups) saying they will support McCain in the fall if she doesn&#8217;t win the nomination.  This type of behavior and threats just drive me crazy.  I can&#8217;t believe people are so upset that they would direct their anger towards a candidate whose beliefs line up so close to their own candidate&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I feel a bit un-PC (or maybe sexist? <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  for saying this, but it reminds me a bit of a group of girls gossiping and dissing a guy who&#8217;s about to dump their girlfriend.  Hillary needs to get in there and say &#8220;thank you for your concern, but we have more important issues to deal with.  I&#8217;m trying prove I&#8217;m a strong female leader, not the victim.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/05/23/this_aint_about.html/comment-page-1#comment-18027</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason people should support Hillary has little to do with her gender. It is simply that (1) she would make a better President than Obama and (2) she has a better chance of defeating the Republican.


Obama says &quot;change&quot; but he is vague about specifics. He offers no hope to those of us who are lower income - who, like myself, have a struggle to pay our bills from one paycheck to the next. He offers no relief for skyrocketing prices for food and fuel. He has no program for reining in the financial speculators.


Hillary may be rich, but at least part of her family background has working class roots (Her mom, I believe). Sure, I was disappointed that she chose to give a victory speech, promoting the interests of working people, while wearing a jeweled necklace that would choke a horse. But, little as I like the rich in principle, I&#039;m not convinced that every wealthy individual is automatically evil. I really think Hillary gets it. Hillary offers hope to myself and people in my economic condition. Obama offers empty platitudes about &quot;change&quot;. Change into WHAT, Senator?


If Obama wins the nomination I will probably hold my nose and vote for him - because even a hollow shell with a feel-good rhetoric chip is better than a Republican who supports Cheney and Bush&#039;s war against Iraq. But I will do so with a heavy heart.


Hillary offers hope. If the media and the party bosses succeed in buying the nomination for their guy, that hope dies. Obama can&#039;t do what needs to be done, and I doubt he would if he could. He doesn&#039;t get it.


Oh, and danah. You think *you&#039;re* disenfranchised? I live in Michigan :(


Thanks for listening,
-Steve
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason people should support Hillary has little to do with her gender. It is simply that (1) she would make a better President than Obama and (2) she has a better chance of defeating the Republican.</p>
<p>Obama says &#8220;change&#8221; but he is vague about specifics. He offers no hope to those of us who are lower income &#8211; who, like myself, have a struggle to pay our bills from one paycheck to the next. He offers no relief for skyrocketing prices for food and fuel. He has no program for reining in the financial speculators.</p>
<p>Hillary may be rich, but at least part of her family background has working class roots (Her mom, I believe). Sure, I was disappointed that she chose to give a victory speech, promoting the interests of working people, while wearing a jeweled necklace that would choke a horse. But, little as I like the rich in principle, I&#8217;m not convinced that every wealthy individual is automatically evil. I really think Hillary gets it. Hillary offers hope to myself and people in my economic condition. Obama offers empty platitudes about &#8220;change&#8221;. Change into WHAT, Senator?</p>
<p>If Obama wins the nomination I will probably hold my nose and vote for him &#8211; because even a hollow shell with a feel-good rhetoric chip is better than a Republican who supports Cheney and Bush&#8217;s war against Iraq. But I will do so with a heavy heart.</p>
<p>Hillary offers hope. If the media and the party bosses succeed in buying the nomination for their guy, that hope dies. Obama can&#8217;t do what needs to be done, and I doubt he would if he could. He doesn&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>Oh, and danah. You think *you&#8217;re* disenfranchised? I live in Michigan <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for listening,<br />
-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 11:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so if i as a woman vote for obama i am a sexist? that&#039;s just a retarded notion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so if i as a woman vote for obama i am a sexist? that&#8217;s just a retarded notion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget M. Blodgett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget M. Blodgett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 09:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of your sentiments in this post. I think the difference regarding race between the first and second wave feminists and the third wave stem from the relationships that the two movements had with each other in the past. I know many feminists felt abandoned after African Americans received the right to vote and largely stopped campaigning (despite the fact that many feminists supported them in this cause there was no reciprocation). I believe many second waves feel resentment to the fracturing that went on during the late 70s when women of color started pointing out that the movement supported middle and upper class white women almost exclusively.


That doesn&#039;t make any of it right but sometimes its better to try and take some perspective.


As for this particular election I can&#039;t help but thinking of the bread and circuses of Ancient Rome every time I listen to any political talk.


Congratulations on your graduation and good luck with your dissertation writing. I know what a accomplishment/grind it is as I head in to my own proposal!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of your sentiments in this post. I think the difference regarding race between the first and second wave feminists and the third wave stem from the relationships that the two movements had with each other in the past. I know many feminists felt abandoned after African Americans received the right to vote and largely stopped campaigning (despite the fact that many feminists supported them in this cause there was no reciprocation). I believe many second waves feel resentment to the fracturing that went on during the late 70s when women of color started pointing out that the movement supported middle and upper class white women almost exclusively.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make any of it right but sometimes its better to try and take some perspective.</p>
<p>As for this particular election I can&#8217;t help but thinking of the bread and circuses of Ancient Rome every time I listen to any political talk.</p>
<p>Congratulations on your graduation and good luck with your dissertation writing. I know what a accomplishment/grind it is as I head in to my own proposal!</p>
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		<title>By: Tex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh. Sniff...this reminds me of a night I had in a local lesbian bar recently.  There was much insistence from the house that it is &quot;just time to have a woman for president.&quot;  No one actually seemed interested in whether or not she was the &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; woman for president, merely that she was a woman.  Needless to say, I went home alone after admitting that I prefer Obama.


So, for what it&#039;s worth, there are certainly others of us out here around your same age and demographic who think Clinton sucks and have no interest whatsoever in seeing her in office, even as there are others who disagree.  That alone suggests to me that this election is actually about the same things all elections have been about.  Some people like Kennedy&#039;s pretty makeup, some people get scared by Johnson threatening nuclear war if the opponent wins, and some people prefer to focus on real issues.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh. Sniff&#8230;this reminds me of a night I had in a local lesbian bar recently.  There was much insistence from the house that it is &#8220;just time to have a woman for president.&#8221;  No one actually seemed interested in whether or not she was the <i>right</i> woman for president, merely that she was a woman.  Needless to say, I went home alone after admitting that I prefer Obama.</p>
<p>So, for what it&#8217;s worth, there are certainly others of us out here around your same age and demographic who think Clinton sucks and have no interest whatsoever in seeing her in office, even as there are others who disagree.  That alone suggests to me that this election is actually about the same things all elections have been about.  Some people like Kennedy&#8217;s pretty makeup, some people get scared by Johnson threatening nuclear war if the opponent wins, and some people prefer to focus on real issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Other Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Other Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Martin...the big story of this election is the ouster of at least one evil faction, and maybe even the other, regardless of which candidate wins.  This goes back to the &#039;Bipartisan Forum&#039; in Oklahoma last winter, when Mayor Bloomberg was warming up a campaign.


I still maintain that Bloomberg was running warm standby, in the event that neither Sen. McCain nor Sen. Obama made the cut.  It will be interesting to see how many of those attendees will end up in the Cabinet next year.


Along the same lines, I&#039;ll guess that control of the Democratic Party is at stake, much like McCain won control of the GOP along with the nomination.  That reason alone is enough to keep Sen. Clinton running to the bitter end.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Martin&#8230;the big story of this election is the ouster of at least one evil faction, and maybe even the other, regardless of which candidate wins.  This goes back to the &#8216;Bipartisan Forum&#8217; in Oklahoma last winter, when Mayor Bloomberg was warming up a campaign.</p>
<p>I still maintain that Bloomberg was running warm standby, in the event that neither Sen. McCain nor Sen. Obama made the cut.  It will be interesting to see how many of those attendees will end up in the Cabinet next year.</p>
<p>Along the same lines, I&#8217;ll guess that control of the Democratic Party is at stake, much like McCain won control of the GOP along with the nomination.  That reason alone is enough to keep Sen. Clinton running to the bitter end.</p>
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		<title>By: Hari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>racism matters in the xenophobic western contexts I think... the &#039;obama-in-Kenyan-costume campaign&#039; made me wonder about the collective psyche of Americans...


and am unsure which wave alice walker belongs to, but her daughter, Rebecca Walker is one of the third wave fore-runners
I agree with you danah, second wave was really a pain for us


btw, congrats for graduation :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>racism matters in the xenophobic western contexts I think&#8230; the &#8216;obama-in-Kenyan-costume campaign&#8217; made me wonder about the collective psyche of Americans&#8230;</p>
<p>and am unsure which wave alice walker belongs to, but her daughter, Rebecca Walker is one of the third wave fore-runners<br />
I agree with you danah, second wave was really a pain for us</p>
<p>btw, congrats for graduation <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>racism matters in the xenephobic western contexts I think... the &#039;obama-in-kenyan-costume campaign&#039; made me wonder about the collective psyche of Americans...


and am unsure which wave alice walker belongs to, but her daughter, Rebecca Walker is one of the third wave fore-runners
I agree with you danah, second wave was really a pain for us (who belong to &#039;other contexts&#039;)


btw, congrats for graduation :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>racism matters in the xenephobic western contexts I think&#8230; the &#8216;obama-in-kenyan-costume campaign&#8217; made me wonder about the collective psyche of Americans&#8230;</p>
<p>and am unsure which wave alice walker belongs to, but her daughter, Rebecca Walker is one of the third wave fore-runners<br />
I agree with you danah, second wave was really a pain for us (who belong to &#8216;other contexts&#8217;)</p>
<p>btw, congrats for graduation <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>racism matters in the xenephobic western contexts I think... the &#039;obama-in-kenyan-costume campaign&#039; made me wonder about the collective psyche of Americans...


and am unsure which wave alice walker belongs to, but her daughter, Rebecca Walker is one of the third wave fore-runners
I agree with you danah, second wave was really a pain for us


btw, congrats for the graduation :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>racism matters in the xenephobic western contexts I think&#8230; the &#8216;obama-in-kenyan-costume campaign&#8217; made me wonder about the collective psyche of Americans&#8230;</p>
<p>and am unsure which wave alice walker belongs to, but her daughter, Rebecca Walker is one of the third wave fore-runners<br />
I agree with you danah, second wave was really a pain for us</p>
<p>btw, congrats for the graduation <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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