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		<title>By: Yadgyu</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/04/06/does_worklife_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-2074456</link>
		<dc:creator>Yadgyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 00:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being successful is more important than being a good parent or spouse.

Things cost money. Staying at home doesn’t buy things. Going out there and making as much money as possible is the best thing to do. Everyone wants to live the good life. But the good life costs. So what if you can’t make it to the softball game or the ballet recital! If you are bringing home big bucks, you are doing more for your family than any amount of time will.

How can a kid be cool if mom or dad only works 40 hours a week but brings home diddley squat? I would rather work a ton of hours and make a ton of money than come home at the same time and sit in the house with a nagging wife and bratty children. A family has to understand that having things is more important than being together. Working less is not an option!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being successful is more important than being a good parent or spouse.</p>
<p>Things cost money. Staying at home doesn’t buy things. Going out there and making as much money as possible is the best thing to do. Everyone wants to live the good life. But the good life costs. So what if you can’t make it to the softball game or the ballet recital! If you are bringing home big bucks, you are doing more for your family than any amount of time will.</p>
<p>How can a kid be cool if mom or dad only works 40 hours a week but brings home diddley squat? I would rather work a ton of hours and make a ton of money than come home at the same time and sit in the house with a nagging wife and bratty children. A family has to understand that having things is more important than being together. Working less is not an option!</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/04/06/does_worklife_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-17905</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a recovered workaholic, married to a current workaholic, I&#039;d say that the quest for balance rests in the recognition of one important fact:


THE WORK WILL STILL BE HERE WHEN WE&#039;RE DEAD.


Our family, friends and our own joy matter more than some task. When the kids are grown, our time to train  and nurture them has past. &quot;I-love-yous&quot;said to the dead are never heard. Furthermore, if I&#039;m hit by the proverbial bus, my co-workers will take only a moment to feign mourning before fighting with each other over my position and its salary. The work will go on without me. It&#039;s that simple.


I came to this realization after nearly drowning on a camping trip 15 years ago. Since then, I traveled abroad, learned about wine, learned the guitar, worked on my chess game, became a pretty good cook, met my wife of 11 years and became father to 2 delightful children. I&#039;m a more contented, appreciative and well-rounded person. I don&#039;t want to go back to the way I was. You don&#039;t have to drown yourself in work to learn the value of balance. Just choose to invest your time in the pursuits that bring the greatest return.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recovered workaholic, married to a current workaholic, I&#8217;d say that the quest for balance rests in the recognition of one important fact:</p>
<p>THE WORK WILL STILL BE HERE WHEN WE&#8217;RE DEAD.</p>
<p>Our family, friends and our own joy matter more than some task. When the kids are grown, our time to train  and nurture them has past. &#8220;I-love-yous&#8221;said to the dead are never heard. Furthermore, if I&#8217;m hit by the proverbial bus, my co-workers will take only a moment to feign mourning before fighting with each other over my position and its salary. The work will go on without me. It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>I came to this realization after nearly drowning on a camping trip 15 years ago. Since then, I traveled abroad, learned about wine, learned the guitar, worked on my chess game, became a pretty good cook, met my wife of 11 years and became father to 2 delightful children. I&#8217;m a more contented, appreciative and well-rounded person. I don&#8217;t want to go back to the way I was. You don&#8217;t have to drown yourself in work to learn the value of balance. Just choose to invest your time in the pursuits that bring the greatest return.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/04/06/does_worklife_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-17904</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the Randy Pausch lecture etc. has been around for a few months and is doubly doing the rounds now, but i think he has some excellent things to say with regards to work/life balance, managing our time, prioritising our tasks, becoming more efficient in order to have more time for the ones we love and ourselves... and also educating and inspiring those around us with regards to the value of our time. He&#039;s also dying of pancreatic cancer so has very very little time left, making his words and guidance all the more compelling and prescient.


Video of the lecture here:


&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5784740380335567758&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5784740380335567758&lt;/a&gt;


Slides here:


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alice.org/Randy/timetalk.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.alice.org/Randy/timetalk.htm&lt;/a&gt;


ps. love the comments so far and your response to the NYT article Danah.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the Randy Pausch lecture etc. has been around for a few months and is doubly doing the rounds now, but i think he has some excellent things to say with regards to work/life balance, managing our time, prioritising our tasks, becoming more efficient in order to have more time for the ones we love and ourselves&#8230; and also educating and inspiring those around us with regards to the value of our time. He&#8217;s also dying of pancreatic cancer so has very very little time left, making his words and guidance all the more compelling and prescient.</p>
<p>Video of the lecture here:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5784740380335567758" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5784740380335567758&amp;referer=');">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5784740380335567758</a></p>
<p>Slides here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alice.org/Randy/timetalk.htm" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.alice.org/Randy/timetalk.htm?referer=');">http://www.alice.org/Randy/timetalk.htm</a></p>
<p>ps. love the comments so far and your response to the NYT article Danah.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Margolin</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/04/06/does_worklife_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-17903</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Margolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, it goes like this:
&lt;p&gt;
How do you achieve work-in-one-area / work-in-another-area balance? What if you like to think about social networks but also play the bass in a band? What if you are a programmer who also writes comic strips?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
The answer is this: the work-centric peer group has no problem at all with work/work balance or work/play balance.  There are plenty of successful models for that.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
What we have is a taboo in this society: Childrearing, householding, and community work are all intellectually relevant topics, but unfortunately remedies for barfing 3 year olds is not considered as sexy as how to balance the demands of your band with your work.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
The underlying conflict, I believe, has to do with a rigid sense of control. I can control my band schedule, my art and cooking classes, my off-grid-mountaineering-travel schedule. If it&#039;s too onerous, I can always just walk, after all.  But I can&#039;t control my child suddenly having trouble at school. We have a problem in this society not with work/life balance, but with allowing ambiguity and chaos of life to upset our rigid pursuit of whatever we&#039;re after.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
When we&#039;re in our 20&#039;s, we&#039;re driven by our own interests and the thrill of our freedom. But as we take on long term responsibility for others, we increase in our skills at mediation, motivation, inspiration... but at the expense of always being able to pursue our own schedule.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
That&#039;s what this is.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
It&#039;s not work/life balance. It&#039;s how to handle responsibilities beyond ourselves as we age; how to enjoy that this makes us stronger and how to mitigate the risks that it can exhaust us.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, it goes like this:</p>
<p>
How do you achieve work-in-one-area / work-in-another-area balance? What if you like to think about social networks but also play the bass in a band? What if you are a programmer who also writes comic strips?
</p>
<p>
The answer is this: the work-centric peer group has no problem at all with work/work balance or work/play balance.  There are plenty of successful models for that.
</p>
<p>
What we have is a taboo in this society: Childrearing, householding, and community work are all intellectually relevant topics, but unfortunately remedies for barfing 3 year olds is not considered as sexy as how to balance the demands of your band with your work.
</p>
<p>
The underlying conflict, I believe, has to do with a rigid sense of control. I can control my band schedule, my art and cooking classes, my off-grid-mountaineering-travel schedule. If it&#8217;s too onerous, I can always just walk, after all.  But I can&#8217;t control my child suddenly having trouble at school. We have a problem in this society not with work/life balance, but with allowing ambiguity and chaos of life to upset our rigid pursuit of whatever we&#8217;re after.
</p>
<p>
When we&#8217;re in our 20&#8242;s, we&#8217;re driven by our own interests and the thrill of our freedom. But as we take on long term responsibility for others, we increase in our skills at mediation, motivation, inspiration&#8230; but at the expense of always being able to pursue our own schedule.
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That&#8217;s what this is.
</p>
<p>
It&#8217;s not work/life balance. It&#8217;s how to handle responsibilities beyond ourselves as we age; how to enjoy that this makes us stronger and how to mitigate the risks that it can exhaust us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Margolin</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/04/06/does_worklife_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-17902</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Margolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, it goes like this:


How do you achieve work-in-one-area / work-in-another-area balance? What if you like to think about social networks but also play the bass in a band? What if you are a programmer who also writes comic strips?


The answer is this: the work-centric peer group has no problem at all with work/work balance or work/play balance.  There are plenty of successful models for that.


What we have is a taboo in this society: Childrearing, householding, and community work are all intellectually relevant topics, but unfortunately remedies for barfing 3 year olds is not considered as sexy as how to balance the demands of your band with your work.


The underlying conflict, I believe, has to do with a rigid sense of control. I can control my band schedule, my art and cooking classes, my off-grid-mountaineering-travel schedule. If it&#039;s too onerous, I can always just walk, after all.  But I can&#039;t control my child suddenly having trouble at school. We have a problem in this society not with work/life balance, but with allowing ambiguity and chaos of life to upset our rigid pursuit of whatever we&#039;re after.


When we&#039;re in our 20&#039;s, we&#039;re driven by our own interests and the thrill of our freedom. But as we take on long term responsibility for others, we increase in our skills at mediation, motivation, inspiration... but at the expense of always being able to pursue our own schedule.


That&#039;s what this is.


It&#039;s not work/life balance. It&#039;s how to handle responsibilities beyond ourselves as we age; how to enjoy that this makes us stronger and how to mitigate the risks that it can exhaust us.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, it goes like this:</p>
<p>How do you achieve work-in-one-area / work-in-another-area balance? What if you like to think about social networks but also play the bass in a band? What if you are a programmer who also writes comic strips?</p>
<p>The answer is this: the work-centric peer group has no problem at all with work/work balance or work/play balance.  There are plenty of successful models for that.</p>
<p>What we have is a taboo in this society: Childrearing, householding, and community work are all intellectually relevant topics, but unfortunately remedies for barfing 3 year olds is not considered as sexy as how to balance the demands of your band with your work.</p>
<p>The underlying conflict, I believe, has to do with a rigid sense of control. I can control my band schedule, my art and cooking classes, my off-grid-mountaineering-travel schedule. If it&#8217;s too onerous, I can always just walk, after all.  But I can&#8217;t control my child suddenly having trouble at school. We have a problem in this society not with work/life balance, but with allowing ambiguity and chaos of life to upset our rigid pursuit of whatever we&#8217;re after.</p>
<p>When we&#8217;re in our 20&#8242;s, we&#8217;re driven by our own interests and the thrill of our freedom. But as we take on long term responsibility for others, we increase in our skills at mediation, motivation, inspiration&#8230; but at the expense of always being able to pursue our own schedule.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what this is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not work/life balance. It&#8217;s how to handle responsibilities beyond ourselves as we age; how to enjoy that this makes us stronger and how to mitigate the risks that it can exhaust us.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Ellison</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/04/06/does_worklife_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-17901</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard work/life balance exists! ;-)
I think this issue is especially salient for those of us in careers with professional obligations that never really end (like academe) and for those of us for whom work can happen any time, any where (like.... um, academe). Lots of women I know (myself included) went through a period of feeling guilty when working (because they weren&#039;t with kids), and guilty when with kids because they weren&#039;t working. I think I&#039;ve figured out things a bit more now. I agree there&#039;s a distinction between those who are passionate about their work and those who are forced to work out of economic necessity. Same symptom, dramatically different cause (and &quot;cure&quot;).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard work/life balance exists! <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I think this issue is especially salient for those of us in careers with professional obligations that never really end (like academe) and for those of us for whom work can happen any time, any where (like&#8230;. um, academe). Lots of women I know (myself included) went through a period of feeling guilty when working (because they weren&#8217;t with kids), and guilty when with kids because they weren&#8217;t working. I think I&#8217;ve figured out things a bit more now. I agree there&#8217;s a distinction between those who are passionate about their work and those who are forced to work out of economic necessity. Same symptom, dramatically different cause (and &#8220;cure&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: tilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>tilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonjour danah


This is just to tell you that i translated your post into French on my blog.


From my POV of a woman who has been working full-time since 1973, got married with two children, and tried hard to achieve that famous balance, i very truly understand your concerns and worries. As you and your readers point out, they are universal (countries, ages, genders). Thank you.


Most of the time i feel that i have not been enough of a &quot;femme de tête&quot; and that i missed many professional opportunities. But in the meantime i am pretty sure that my significant other, my family, my friends, and even my children now that they are almost adults, they all think that i found that famous balance between my job and... them. At the end of the day, i am simply happy to believe that what they think about me is true.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonjour danah</p>
<p>This is just to tell you that i translated your post into French on my blog.</p>
<p>From my POV of a woman who has been working full-time since 1973, got married with two children, and tried hard to achieve that famous balance, i very truly understand your concerns and worries. As you and your readers point out, they are universal (countries, ages, genders). Thank you.</p>
<p>Most of the time i feel that i have not been enough of a &#8220;femme de tête&#8221; and that i missed many professional opportunities. But in the meantime i am pretty sure that my significant other, my family, my friends, and even my children now that they are almost adults, they all think that i found that famous balance between my job and&#8230; them. At the end of the day, i am simply happy to believe that what they think about me is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Federman</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/04/06/does_worklife_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-17899</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Federman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When (if?) people realize that the often self-imposed imperative to succeed (relative to others), compete (with an often unknown foe), and win (a game with ever-changing rules) - almost always measured against a predominantly economic rubric - is a throwback to the early 20th century and before, they may decide to change their ways.


Good ol&#039; Frederick Winslow Taylor taught us how to be paid for piecework, and follow best practices before they were so named. And despite the fact that many aspects of our society are no longer in the industrial age, modern institutions stubbornly remain firmly mired in their Dickensian workhouse roots.


It is, I think, incumbent on those of us to claim to understand the effects of ubiquitous connectivity and pervasive proximity - that to my mind describes the world as we wittingly or unwittingly experience it - to consciously enact a change to the imposed paradigm of constant competition, continual economic expansion, and the myth that there is some sort of dichotomy between &lt;em&gt;work&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;life&lt;/em&gt;.


Ideally (and yes, I understand the critical and problematic issues surrounding what I&#039;m about to say), what one does to maintain one&#039;s economic viability should be entirely entwined with living integrally and authentically. The more apparent the issue of co-called work/life balance becomes, the less integrated it is with one&#039;s life, suggesting that a reconsideration might be called for.


Took me (what I estimate to be) half my (total) life to figure this out and begin to enact it. Losing the paradigm of &quot;money as scorecard&quot; helps. So does being entirely present and engaged in whatever it is one is doing or with whomever one is at the moment, as well as embracing one&#039;s uncertainty with as much gusto as embracing one&#039;s passion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When (if?) people realize that the often self-imposed imperative to succeed (relative to others), compete (with an often unknown foe), and win (a game with ever-changing rules) &#8211; almost always measured against a predominantly economic rubric &#8211; is a throwback to the early 20th century and before, they may decide to change their ways.</p>
<p>Good ol&#8217; Frederick Winslow Taylor taught us how to be paid for piecework, and follow best practices before they were so named. And despite the fact that many aspects of our society are no longer in the industrial age, modern institutions stubbornly remain firmly mired in their Dickensian workhouse roots.</p>
<p>It is, I think, incumbent on those of us to claim to understand the effects of ubiquitous connectivity and pervasive proximity &#8211; that to my mind describes the world as we wittingly or unwittingly experience it &#8211; to consciously enact a change to the imposed paradigm of constant competition, continual economic expansion, and the myth that there is some sort of dichotomy between <em>work</em> and <em>life</em>.</p>
<p>Ideally (and yes, I understand the critical and problematic issues surrounding what I&#8217;m about to say), what one does to maintain one&#8217;s economic viability should be entirely entwined with living integrally and authentically. The more apparent the issue of co-called work/life balance becomes, the less integrated it is with one&#8217;s life, suggesting that a reconsideration might be called for.</p>
<p>Took me (what I estimate to be) half my (total) life to figure this out and begin to enact it. Losing the paradigm of &#8220;money as scorecard&#8221; helps. So does being entirely present and engaged in whatever it is one is doing or with whomever one is at the moment, as well as embracing one&#8217;s uncertainty with as much gusto as embracing one&#8217;s passion.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Scola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Scola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my mind, this is about underpaid workers being squeezed to produced something creative, with the cover for the squeezing being that they&#039;re among the lucky few to make a living writing -- not about otherwise-employed academics who wrestle with how much to devote to their blog. It&#039;s like how in the old days pro baseball players worked for a pittance. Heck, at least they weren&#039;t stuck in a factory. But they ended up burnt out, used up, and tossed aside.


The per-piece pocket-change wage is one prevalent and growing model for online journalism, and that&#039;s indeed a problem. And it should be troubling not just for the the poor ol&#039; blogger, but for anyone who thinks that good journalism is one of the legs upon which modern society stands.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my mind, this is about underpaid workers being squeezed to produced something creative, with the cover for the squeezing being that they&#8217;re among the lucky few to make a living writing &#8212; not about otherwise-employed academics who wrestle with how much to devote to their blog. It&#8217;s like how in the old days pro baseball players worked for a pittance. Heck, at least they weren&#8217;t stuck in a factory. But they ended up burnt out, used up, and tossed aside.</p>
<p>The per-piece pocket-change wage is one prevalent and growing model for online journalism, and that&#8217;s indeed a problem. And it should be troubling not just for the the poor ol&#8217; blogger, but for anyone who thinks that good journalism is one of the legs upon which modern society stands.</p>
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		<title>By: IQAmsterdam</title>
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		<dc:creator>IQAmsterdam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an expat based in Europe, I empathise with the tough work ethic of Americans.  Here (Amsterdam, NL) a 4 day week is the norm and work/life balance a closely guarded (almost) birth right. Competition, information overload, the do-or-die need to be number one...it all pales in comparison to wanting to live life in balance. I think it pays to step outside the box, love what you do but keep it in perspective.  Is it all really going to matter in a year or two from now?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an expat based in Europe, I empathise with the tough work ethic of Americans.  Here (Amsterdam, NL) a 4 day week is the norm and work/life balance a closely guarded (almost) birth right. Competition, information overload, the do-or-die need to be number one&#8230;it all pales in comparison to wanting to live life in balance. I think it pays to step outside the box, love what you do but keep it in perspective.  Is it all really going to matter in a year or two from now?</p>
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