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		<title>By: Reid Cornwell</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-2847531</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Cornwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 00:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>danah, If open-access is a desirable goal why are so buttoned down on the copyright for this blog?</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Manning</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-977321</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say as the outgoing editor of a AAA journal publsihed by Wiley Blackwell that, for the most part, the real editors are the academics who assemble the journal and send it on, usually copy-edited to 80-90% of the target.  The press would then add various errors to what we had assembled and then type-set it and put it on the web and gridgingly print it.  We did our work for free, we reduced our expenses to zero by refusing to print anything or accept anything in paper form.  The only expenses we had, in fact, related to reviewing books, an odd service we provide to academic publishers which costs most, is tiresome and is of very little value.  If we had gotten rid of that, hired a copy-editor with some type-setting skills of our own, the entire journal could have been put up for basically free as long as we skipped the paper issue.  We could have subsidized these nominal costs using our member fees and made the journal free. 

The problem is that the argument for the involvement of the mediation of a publisher is nusually cast in technical or financial terms, that, on the one hand, there is some need for their special skill set or infrastructure, or, on the other hand, there is need to link publication to markets.  However, the sad truth is that the former arguments no longer hold, as we demonstrated more or less by being editors, so the real problem is that academics are afraid to try new venues, the older venues have so much accumulated prestige that their monopoly is retained long after any possible technical or fiscal argument or alibi for this monopoly.  That&#039;s why any arguments trying to justify the monopoly by referring to the labor of editors, which is always unpaid, except for the copy-editors who basically do less than 5% of the editing anyway, is ridiculous. In some journals, the copy-editors  are quite interventionist, which is fine but once again they also add many many errors in their zeal, but at the end of the day, there are journals which run for profit that basiclaly don&#039;t do any copy-editing either, that&#039;s all done by the unpaid academic editors or a grad student intern.  Any way you cut it, attempting to justify these monopolies by reference to the technical or market orders is simply an alibi to avoid recognition that it is simply the dead hand of prestige, and prestige is not in itself anything but a rstatement of &#039;that&#039;s the way it is, and that&#039;s the way it will be, unless it changes&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say as the outgoing editor of a AAA journal publsihed by Wiley Blackwell that, for the most part, the real editors are the academics who assemble the journal and send it on, usually copy-edited to 80-90% of the target.  The press would then add various errors to what we had assembled and then type-set it and put it on the web and gridgingly print it.  We did our work for free, we reduced our expenses to zero by refusing to print anything or accept anything in paper form.  The only expenses we had, in fact, related to reviewing books, an odd service we provide to academic publishers which costs most, is tiresome and is of very little value.  If we had gotten rid of that, hired a copy-editor with some type-setting skills of our own, the entire journal could have been put up for basically free as long as we skipped the paper issue.  We could have subsidized these nominal costs using our member fees and made the journal free. </p>
<p>The problem is that the argument for the involvement of the mediation of a publisher is nusually cast in technical or financial terms, that, on the one hand, there is some need for their special skill set or infrastructure, or, on the other hand, there is need to link publication to markets.  However, the sad truth is that the former arguments no longer hold, as we demonstrated more or less by being editors, so the real problem is that academics are afraid to try new venues, the older venues have so much accumulated prestige that their monopoly is retained long after any possible technical or fiscal argument or alibi for this monopoly.  That&#8217;s why any arguments trying to justify the monopoly by referring to the labor of editors, which is always unpaid, except for the copy-editors who basically do less than 5% of the editing anyway, is ridiculous. In some journals, the copy-editors  are quite interventionist, which is fine but once again they also add many many errors in their zeal, but at the end of the day, there are journals which run for profit that basiclaly don&#8217;t do any copy-editing either, that&#8217;s all done by the unpaid academic editors or a grad student intern.  Any way you cut it, attempting to justify these monopolies by reference to the technical or market orders is simply an alibi to avoid recognition that it is simply the dead hand of prestige, and prestige is not in itself anything but a rstatement of &#8216;that&#8217;s the way it is, and that&#8217;s the way it will be, unless it changes&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft Research strongly encourages all of its researchers to publish in open-access journals and to post their research publicly.  I&#039;m not sure why you think that Microsoft would be against open-access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft Research strongly encourages all of its researchers to publish in open-access journals and to post their research publicly.  I&#8217;m not sure why you think that Microsoft would be against open-access.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Piela</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-218541</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Piela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised to see praise of publishing in open-source journals from someone funded by Microsoft, definitely not an open-source code endorsing corporation. Is this not a discrepancy? Just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised to see praise of publishing in open-source journals from someone funded by Microsoft, definitely not an open-source code endorsing corporation. Is this not a discrepancy? Just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Halpert</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-38277</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Halpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much enjoyed this piece, Danah. I was interested to see that a group of Cambridge academics have started their own non-profit publishing company, Open Book Publishers, that aims not only to make monographs freely accessible online but bypass all the red tape associated with the old university presses. They already have a number of very high-profile academics contributing titles: http://www.openbookpublishers.com/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much enjoyed this piece, Danah. I was interested to see that a group of Cambridge academics have started their own non-profit publishing company, Open Book Publishers, that aims not only to make monographs freely accessible online but bypass all the red tape associated with the old university presses. They already have a number of very high-profile academics contributing titles: <a href="http://www.openbookpublishers.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.openbookpublishers.com/?referer=');">http://www.openbookpublishers.com/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Open Access Publishing Podcast &#171; Unruled Notebook</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-20587</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Access Publishing Podcast &#171; Unruled Notebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent discussion on open access publishing is going on at Danah Boyd&#8217;s post and an overview of open access is provided by Peter Suber in his Six things that researchers need [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent discussion on open access publishing is going on at Danah Boyd&#8217;s post and an overview of open access is provided by Peter Suber in his Six things that researchers need [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-17644</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, &lt;b&gt;do publish in established non-profit open access journals such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jmir.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JMIR&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and avoid to publish in subscription-based journals, but also consider to &lt;a href=&quot;http://gunther-eysenbach.blogspot.com/2008/03/black-sheep-among-open-access-journals.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;boycott open access journals that resort to unethical practices such as spamming researchers to get their manuscripts.&lt;/a&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, <b>do publish in established non-profit open access journals such as <a href="http://www.jmir.org" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.jmir.org?referer=');">JMIR</a></b> and avoid to publish in subscription-based journals, but also consider to <a href="http://gunther-eysenbach.blogspot.com/2008/03/black-sheep-among-open-access-journals.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/gunther-eysenbach.blogspot.com/2008/03/black-sheep-among-open-access-journals.html?referer=');">boycott open access journals that resort to unethical practices such as spamming researchers to get their manuscripts.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Booger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Booger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,


One love. I&#039;d also like to say that past boycotts of non-OA journals were entirely successful. Just look at how many open access journals we have today?


I think a more constructive question would be: Why should we publish in traditional, locked down journals?
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<p>One love. I&#8217;d also like to say that past boycotts of non-OA journals were entirely successful. Just look at how many open access journals we have today?</p>
<p>I think a more constructive question would be: Why should we publish in traditional, locked down journals?</p>
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		<title>By: John Appleseed</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-17642</link>
		<dc:creator>John Appleseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-archiving is an incredibly poor and limited answer coming from a name like Harnads!


Who will maintain the self-archived versions? How do we maintain consistant links over time? Is it really intelligent to have the responsibilty of maintaining access fall on the author himself?


I support this boycott fully. All academic journals which publish funded publically MUST go open access. On this, there is no question in my mind.


Self-archiving is nonsense. Open access journals, with well organized databases and systems of organization are essential. It is also essential that we remove all the DRM issues. Right now, it is impossible to organize scholarship into an easy to access and navigate database because it is illegal to compile such information in a new way/experimental way.


Publishers should not have any control over how academic information is distributed and used. End of story.


For those who say otherwise: Good luck finding your self-archived file. Good luck having it incorporated in other works.


Steve Harnad: This is not about going the surest and fastest way. It is about carefully restructuring the accessibility of information so that the public can benefit, and so that it can be used in new unpredictable ways.


Publishers, with their draconian rights schemes make the organization of academic information a nightmare!






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-archiving is an incredibly poor and limited answer coming from a name like Harnads!</p>
<p>Who will maintain the self-archived versions? How do we maintain consistant links over time? Is it really intelligent to have the responsibilty of maintaining access fall on the author himself?</p>
<p>I support this boycott fully. All academic journals which publish funded publically MUST go open access. On this, there is no question in my mind.</p>
<p>Self-archiving is nonsense. Open access journals, with well organized databases and systems of organization are essential. It is also essential that we remove all the DRM issues. Right now, it is impossible to organize scholarship into an easy to access and navigate database because it is illegal to compile such information in a new way/experimental way.</p>
<p>Publishers should not have any control over how academic information is distributed and used. End of story.</p>
<p>For those who say otherwise: Good luck finding your self-archived file. Good luck having it incorporated in other works.</p>
<p>Steve Harnad: This is not about going the surest and fastest way. It is about carefully restructuring the accessibility of information so that the public can benefit, and so that it can be used in new unpredictable ways.</p>
<p>Publishers, with their draconian rights schemes make the organization of academic information a nightmare!</p>
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		<title>By: Stevan Harnad</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/02/06/openaccess_is_t.html/comment-page-2#comment-17641</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevan Harnad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;BOYCOTTS ARE UNNECESSARY AND UNSUCCESSFUL AND OA PUBLISHING IS NOT THE FASTEST AND SUREST WAY TO REACH 100% OA&lt;/b&gt;


Those who ignore &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arl.org/sc/subversive/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;history&lt;/a&gt; are condemned to repeat it.


The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;boycott gambit&lt;/a&gt; was already tried nearly a decade ago and failed, resoundingly, and predictably, since even then it was not true that Open Access meant only or primarily Open Access Publishing (&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/accessdebate/21.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gold OA&lt;/a&gt;&quot;). Even then, the fastest and surest way to 100% OA was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OA Self-Archiving&lt;/a&gt;, by authors, of all the articles published in non-OA journals. This is called &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/13309/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Green OA&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, and the single most common error about OA (and also the single thing that stands most in the way of progress toward 100%  OA itself) is to imagine that OA means only or primarily Gold OA.


The way to reach OA is for authors to self-archive, and the way to ensure that they self-archive is for their universities and research funders to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/policysignup/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mandate self-archiving&lt;/a&gt; -- as they are now beginning to do, at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long last&lt;/a&gt;.


&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stevan Harnad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://amsci-forum.amsci.org/archives/American-Scientist-Open-Access-Forum.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;American Scientist Open Access Forum&lt;/a&gt;




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>BOYCOTTS ARE UNNECESSARY AND UNSUCCESSFUL AND OA PUBLISHING IS NOT THE FASTEST AND SUREST WAY TO REACH 100% OA</b></p>
<p>Those who ignore <a href="http://www.arl.org/sc/subversive/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.arl.org/sc/subversive/?referer=');">history</a> are condemned to repeat it.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.eprints.org/openaccess/?referer=');">boycott gambit</a> was already tried nearly a decade ago and failed, resoundingly, and predictably, since even then it was not true that Open Access meant only or primarily Open Access Publishing (&#8220;<a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/accessdebate/21.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.nature.com/nature/focus/accessdebate/21.html?referer=');">Gold OA</a>&#8220;). Even then, the fastest and surest way to 100% OA was <a href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/?referer=');">OA Self-Archiving</a>, by authors, of all the articles published in non-OA journals. This is called &#8220;<a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/13309/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/13309/?referer=');">Green OA</a>&#8220;, and the single most common error about OA (and also the single thing that stands most in the way of progress toward 100%  OA itself) is to imagine that OA means only or primarily Gold OA.</p>
<p>The way to reach OA is for authors to self-archive, and the way to ensure that they self-archive is for their universities and research funders to <a href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/policysignup/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.eprints.org/openaccess/policysignup/?referer=');">mandate self-archiving</a> &#8212; as they are now beginning to do, at <a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html?referer=');">long last</a>.</p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.eprints.org/openaccess/?referer=');">Stevan Harnad</a></b><br />
<a href="http://amsci-forum.amsci.org/archives/American-Scientist-Open-Access-Forum.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/amsci-forum.amsci.org/archives/American-Scientist-Open-Access-Forum.html?referer=');">American Scientist Open Access Forum</a></p>
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