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		<title>By: sarttouta</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/01/10/technology_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-17409</link>
		<dc:creator>sarttouta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your article at Abu Sadat&#039;s blog and I commented there by mistake, but thanks for Abu Sadat for sharing this in his blog :)
danah, I like your topic so much. we are an era of consumer culture and the technology and internet play great role in evoking and stimulate it. Advertizing on internet became essential for companies these days and youth are influenced by such advertisements often. Same in Egypt, consumer culture is increasing day after day and obsession about technology and its influnce is increasing among the youth. There is a recent very well written book by Roberta Sassatelli named: Consumer Culture, History, Theory and Politics. I hope you will be able to take a look at it since it has part on technology.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your article at Abu Sadat&#8217;s blog and I commented there by mistake, but thanks for Abu Sadat for sharing this in his blog <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
danah, I like your topic so much. we are an era of consumer culture and the technology and internet play great role in evoking and stimulate it. Advertizing on internet became essential for companies these days and youth are influenced by such advertisements often. Same in Egypt, consumer culture is increasing day after day and obsession about technology and its influnce is increasing among the youth. There is a recent very well written book by Roberta Sassatelli named: Consumer Culture, History, Theory and Politics. I hope you will be able to take a look at it since it has part on technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Britt Watwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britt Watwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>danah:


Your story of the mother&#039;s wonder at her teen moving seamlessly between the digital and physical world has implications for education as well.  Our students understand this ... but do our faculty?  And how do we help them embrace this facility with which their students enter classrooms already equipped?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>danah:</p>
<p>Your story of the mother&#8217;s wonder at her teen moving seamlessly between the digital and physical world has implications for education as well.  Our students understand this &#8230; but do our faculty?  And how do we help them embrace this facility with which their students enter classrooms already equipped?</p>
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		<title>By: deanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>deanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much of the need to price-shop is determined by current cut-backs of expendable income for youth.  As I believe that we really are headed into a serious recession, the need to buy at the lowest possible price may be more important for the average consumer than ever.


I saw an article last year about a mall-type store that was moving to online shopping exclusively; they had samples of all products in the store, like one of each size, and then a computer to order online where the cash register would be.
But I can&#039;t for the life of me remember what store this was.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much of the need to price-shop is determined by current cut-backs of expendable income for youth.  As I believe that we really are headed into a serious recession, the need to buy at the lowest possible price may be more important for the average consumer than ever.</p>
<p>I saw an article last year about a mall-type store that was moving to online shopping exclusively; they had samples of all products in the store, like one of each size, and then a computer to order online where the cash register would be.<br />
But I can&#8217;t for the life of me remember what store this was.</p>
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		<title>By: Eilleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eilleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I&#039;d come back with some further thoughts on this.  I think that there is no question that the retail industry is being transformed by technology.


From my own observations, I note that more and more retail businesses are transferring the value of their businesses from the product to their relationship with the customer.  In that sense, I think we will see a rise in consumers paying for a continued relationship with particular retailers rather than the actual goods being produced.  In this scenario, a bricks and mortar shop will serve as a meeting place to further the relationship.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d come back with some further thoughts on this.  I think that there is no question that the retail industry is being transformed by technology.</p>
<p>From my own observations, I note that more and more retail businesses are transferring the value of their businesses from the product to their relationship with the customer.  In that sense, I think we will see a rise in consumers paying for a continued relationship with particular retailers rather than the actual goods being produced.  In this scenario, a bricks and mortar shop will serve as a meeting place to further the relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: publius</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/01/10/technology_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-17405</link>
		<dc:creator>publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Experience retailing ... only applies to aspirational goods which feed on identity and status.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Alain de Boton notwithstanding, such certitude seems unmerited. Theory is not a &lt;i&gt;prescription for&lt;/i&gt; reality, it&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;description of&lt;/i&gt; reality. Reality gets created first, then the theorists come along and try to explain it; and their theory, being a model of reality and not reality itself, is like the parable of the five blind men and the elephant. Which is why theorists are generally fellows at Harvard, whereas the people whom actually make reality happen are generally entrepreneurs. It&#039;s also what led Einstein to remark that,&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So I question the wisdom of reducing the complexity of the market to semiotics; especially a semiotics that is tinged by turgid quasi-marxist social theory.


Let us consider a rollercoaster. Is the compelling experience it represents merely an expression of status? Sure, teen males goad each other into loosening the grip of their fear to ride the things, but do you really think that as they experience 3Gs they&#039;re thinking, &quot;this should raise my status.&quot;&lt;blockquote&gt;You couldn&#039;t sell PCs the same way because people buy PCs because it&#039;s a computer and they need a computer. If you can get the same specs for $50 cheaper online, why not do it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Only valid, again, with the intercession of woolly-headed social theory. Part of &quot;experience retail&quot; is knowledge transfer. My firm actually spent a great deal of time examining and modeling the Apple Store. Our experience led us to the conclusion that one of the biggest values it offers is in creating the expectation of a modest learning curve. Consumers are obviously invited to try the products, but they&#039;re also given personal instruction in various uses both before and after making a purchase. It demystifies the machines and their use. It encourages confidence in the consumer that they can realize their goals with the machine.


Dell would be well served to pay attention. For that matter, so would Microsoft. Demand for computers in general is driven by ever-improved knowledge and expectations regarding what can be done with them. &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; is behind the modest ascendency of Apple much more so than the hipster Mac user shtick.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Experience retailing &#8230; only applies to aspirational goods which feed on identity and status.</p></blockquote>
<p>Alain de Boton notwithstanding, such certitude seems unmerited. Theory is not a <i>prescription for</i> reality, it&#8217;s a <i>description of</i> reality. Reality gets created first, then the theorists come along and try to explain it; and their theory, being a model of reality and not reality itself, is like the parable of the five blind men and the elephant. Which is why theorists are generally fellows at Harvard, whereas the people whom actually make reality happen are generally entrepreneurs. It&#8217;s also what led Einstein to remark that,<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So I question the wisdom of reducing the complexity of the market to semiotics; especially a semiotics that is tinged by turgid quasi-marxist social theory.</p>
<p>Let us consider a rollercoaster. Is the compelling experience it represents merely an expression of status? Sure, teen males goad each other into loosening the grip of their fear to ride the things, but do you really think that as they experience 3Gs they&#8217;re thinking, &#8220;this should raise my status.&#8221;<br />
<blockquote>You couldn&#8217;t sell PCs the same way because people buy PCs because it&#8217;s a computer and they need a computer. If you can get the same specs for $50 cheaper online, why not do it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Only valid, again, with the intercession of woolly-headed social theory. Part of &#8220;experience retail&#8221; is knowledge transfer. My firm actually spent a great deal of time examining and modeling the Apple Store. Our experience led us to the conclusion that one of the biggest values it offers is in creating the expectation of a modest learning curve. Consumers are obviously invited to try the products, but they&#8217;re also given personal instruction in various uses both before and after making a purchase. It demystifies the machines and their use. It encourages confidence in the consumer that they can realize their goals with the machine.</p>
<p>Dell would be well served to pay attention. For that matter, so would Microsoft. Demand for computers in general is driven by ever-improved knowledge and expectations regarding what can be done with them. <i>That</i> is behind the modest ascendency of Apple much more so than the hipster Mac user shtick.</p>
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		<title>By: Xianhang Zhang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xianhang Zhang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>publius: I question how widely the model of American Girl will scale. Experience retailing is definitely important and is one way for certain retail outlets to survive but it only applies to aspirational goods which feed on identity and status. You can sell Macs at an Apple Store because buying a Mac signifies to people that you&#039;re a &quot;Mac Person&quot; with all the cultural implications that carries with it. You couldn&#039;t sell PCs the same way because people buy PCs because it&#039;s a computer and they need a computer. If you can get the same specs for $50 cheaper online, why not do it?


Fragrance is an interesting case because it clearly is an aspirational good but the aspiration is purely towards the fragrance itself. You want to buy something that smells like you think you should smell but it&#039;s irrelevant where you purchased it from because it&#039;s impossible to signal.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>publius: I question how widely the model of American Girl will scale. Experience retailing is definitely important and is one way for certain retail outlets to survive but it only applies to aspirational goods which feed on identity and status. You can sell Macs at an Apple Store because buying a Mac signifies to people that you&#8217;re a &#8220;Mac Person&#8221; with all the cultural implications that carries with it. You couldn&#8217;t sell PCs the same way because people buy PCs because it&#8217;s a computer and they need a computer. If you can get the same specs for $50 cheaper online, why not do it?</p>
<p>Fragrance is an interesting case because it clearly is an aspirational good but the aspiration is purely towards the fragrance itself. You want to buy something that smells like you think you should smell but it&#8217;s irrelevant where you purchased it from because it&#8217;s impossible to signal.</p>
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		<title>By: publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xianhang &amp; Bertil, I&#039;d worry not. The outside of the paradigm isn&#039;t visible from the inside, or at least not as long as one&#039;s perspective is moored there. Experience is the fundamental value of retail. It&#039;s just that a critical mass of retailers have yet to realize this. Until a completely compelling virtual reality is realized, meatspace is the only place to do what happens at, say, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americangirl.com/stores/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;American Girl Place&lt;/a&gt; or the Apple Stores, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buildabear.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Build-A-Bear Workshop&lt;/a&gt;. I think Rod&#039;s on the right track.


I&#039;m more worried about the smug, ivory tower academics who sneer about so-called &quot;consumerism&quot; and the potential that they&#039;ll inveigle ever more paternalist (sorry, maternalist) intervention in the market. Those of us who are unfettered by such ideological myopia are free to dream the future and get it capitalized. Which puts me in mind of a quotation:


&quot;What every artist knows: No matter how great my contemporaries, they are human and fallible.
What every critic knows: One need not actually create anything to lift one&#039;s leg and piss on those that do.&quot;
- Sigismundo Celine
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xianhang &#038; Bertil, I&#8217;d worry not. The outside of the paradigm isn&#8217;t visible from the inside, or at least not as long as one&#8217;s perspective is moored there. Experience is the fundamental value of retail. It&#8217;s just that a critical mass of retailers have yet to realize this. Until a completely compelling virtual reality is realized, meatspace is the only place to do what happens at, say, <a href="http://www.americangirl.com/stores/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.americangirl.com/stores/?referer=');">American Girl Place</a> or the Apple Stores, or <a href="http://www.buildabear.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.buildabear.com/?referer=');">Build-A-Bear Workshop</a>. I think Rod&#8217;s on the right track.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more worried about the smug, ivory tower academics who sneer about so-called &#8220;consumerism&#8221; and the potential that they&#8217;ll inveigle ever more paternalist (sorry, maternalist) intervention in the market. Those of us who are unfettered by such ideological myopia are free to dream the future and get it capitalized. Which puts me in mind of a quotation:</p>
<p>&#8220;What every artist knows: No matter how great my contemporaries, they are human and fallible.<br />
What every critic knows: One need not actually create anything to lift one&#8217;s leg and piss on those that do.&#8221;<br />
- Sigismundo Celine</p>
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		<title>By: Xianhang Zhang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xianhang Zhang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bertil: It&#039;s not that retail stores are doomed that I&#039;m worried about, society could adapt if retail became obsolete. It&#039;s that for certain products, without a retail presence, *online* stores are doomed as well.


I find it frustrating in DRM debates that sides are forced to align onto two diametrically opposite positions:


1. Piracy is inevitable and good for artists because they gain exposure blah blah.
2. Piract is evil and should be stopped.


What nobody seems to be really grappling with is what if Piracy is both inevitable and bad for artists? In the same vein, the shift from retail to online might very well be inevitable but it might be detrimental for all parties involved, retailers and consumers and *that*&#039;s what I&#039;m worried about.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bertil: It&#8217;s not that retail stores are doomed that I&#8217;m worried about, society could adapt if retail became obsolete. It&#8217;s that for certain products, without a retail presence, *online* stores are doomed as well.</p>
<p>I find it frustrating in DRM debates that sides are forced to align onto two diametrically opposite positions:</p>
<p>1. Piracy is inevitable and good for artists because they gain exposure blah blah.<br />
2. Piract is evil and should be stopped.</p>
<p>What nobody seems to be really grappling with is what if Piracy is both inevitable and bad for artists? In the same vein, the shift from retail to online might very well be inevitable but it might be detrimental for all parties involved, retailers and consumers and *that*&#8217;s what I&#8217;m worried about.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can&#039;t help but wonder if there&#039;s a retail model which encourages teens to hang out in a store. Why not place a PC beside the changing rooms and encourage customers to take pictures while trying on clothes, upload them on the spot and share with friends not physically there? (Marketing types might find the results interesting too.) Most teens don&#039;t have the money to spend today, but they likely will in the future, so it can&#039;t hurt to start building the relationship now. The downside is retailers probably don&#039;t want to become a hang-out for teens. The upside is if teens feel a stronger connection to a retailer they may be more likely to buy there instead of online. One thing is clear: Retail needs to renovate more than their stores if they&#039;re going to survive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can&#8217;t help but wonder if there&#8217;s a retail model which encourages teens to hang out in a store. Why not place a PC beside the changing rooms and encourage customers to take pictures while trying on clothes, upload them on the spot and share with friends not physically there? (Marketing types might find the results interesting too.) Most teens don&#8217;t have the money to spend today, but they likely will in the future, so it can&#8217;t hurt to start building the relationship now. The downside is retailers probably don&#8217;t want to become a hang-out for teens. The upside is if teens feel a stronger connection to a retailer they may be more likely to buy there instead of online. One thing is clear: Retail needs to renovate more than their stores if they&#8217;re going to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an educator, this is interesting to me as it shows ideas of how and where kids choose to access information and be literate in a 21st century globalised society. When it comes to using information for things they are interested in learning about, kids are masters of new technology. We absolutely need to learn these lessons as we try to reinvent classrooms to meet a changing role.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an educator, this is interesting to me as it shows ideas of how and where kids choose to access information and be literate in a 21st century globalised society. When it comes to using information for things they are interested in learning about, kids are masters of new technology. We absolutely need to learn these lessons as we try to reinvent classrooms to meet a changing role.</p>
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