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		<title>By: mika</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15614</link>
		<dc:creator>mika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give Ask.com a try, perhaps? They found 1457 Third Street Promenade, Santa Monica, CA right off the bat. Think outside the Google/Yahoo box..


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give Ask.com a try, perhaps? They found 1457 Third Street Promenade, Santa Monica, CA right off the bat. Think outside the Google/Yahoo box..</p>
<p>:0)</p>
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		<title>By: some guy</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15613</link>
		<dc:creator>some guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If we think of search as trying to parse out my intentions&quot;


This seems like a disastrous approach. How is Google supposed to divine intentions when they pertain to rapidly developing ephemeral events like the launches of shitty books?


They have a limited amount of stuff to engage in term/phrase sense disambiguation wherein they suggest frequently occurring senses of it, but that is by no means a central focus of searching and indexing. Taking that to its logical conclusion is a recipe for brittleness and wasted money. Wasting the talents of thousands of brilliant PhDs on wild goose chases like guessing what every little cryptic two/three-word query means is a terrible idea.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we think of search as trying to parse out my intentions&#8221;</p>
<p>This seems like a disastrous approach. How is Google supposed to divine intentions when they pertain to rapidly developing ephemeral events like the launches of shitty books?</p>
<p>They have a limited amount of stuff to engage in term/phrase sense disambiguation wherein they suggest frequently occurring senses of it, but that is by no means a central focus of searching and indexing. Taking that to its logical conclusion is a recipe for brittleness and wasted money. Wasting the talents of thousands of brilliant PhDs on wild goose chases like guessing what every little cryptic two/three-word query means is a terrible idea.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBradley</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15612</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 07:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s really odd is to continue to use a poor search engine. Exalead for example is far superior to Google when it comes to spelling.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s really odd is to continue to use a poor search engine. Exalead for example is far superior to Google when it comes to spelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15611</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 00:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+&quot;southwest airlines&quot; +sfo


This search took perhaps 5 minutes to find an appropriate page in the results and navigate to the following paragraph from the Southwest Airlines blog. It was the 4th result, and I had to guess that it might contain info (by implication negative, as it happens) about service to LAX. The closest appears to be San Diego.


An ABC report on Southwest&#039;s return to SFO was result 2, but didn&#039;t include route info.


Note that my search was improved by *not* including LAX, since, as it happens, service to LAX is not part of the story - hence not mentioned on the target pages.


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Just as we promised, we�re bringing our LUV Jets back to San Francisco International Airport (SFO)! Effective on Sunday, August 26th, Southwest begins nonstop service between SFO and San Diego, Las Vegas, and Chicago Midway, with direct or connecting service to 46 additional airports from sea to shining sea. We�ll offer eight flights each weekday between SFO and San Diego; seven each weekday between SFO and Las Vegas; and three each day between SFO and Chicago Midway. Southwest�s SFO service will operate from Terminal 1, Concourse B, gates 25 and 31.  (Click here for more details.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+&#8221;southwest airlines&#8221; +sfo</p>
<p>This search took perhaps 5 minutes to find an appropriate page in the results and navigate to the following paragraph from the Southwest Airlines blog. It was the 4th result, and I had to guess that it might contain info (by implication negative, as it happens) about service to LAX. The closest appears to be San Diego.</p>
<p>An ABC report on Southwest&#8217;s return to SFO was result 2, but didn&#8217;t include route info.</p>
<p>Note that my search was improved by *not* including LAX, since, as it happens, service to LAX is not part of the story &#8211; hence not mentioned on the target pages.</p>
<p>***************************************************************<br />
Just as we promised, we�re bringing our LUV Jets back to San Francisco International Airport (SFO)! Effective on Sunday, August 26th, Southwest begins nonstop service between SFO and San Diego, Las Vegas, and Chicago Midway, with direct or connecting service to 46 additional airports from sea to shining sea. We�ll offer eight flights each weekday between SFO and San Diego; seven each weekday between SFO and Las Vegas; and three each day between SFO and Chicago Midway. Southwest�s SFO service will operate from Terminal 1, Concourse B, gates 25 and 31.  (Click here for more details.)<br />
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15610</link>
		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 14:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fp - probably the latter since i have no record of your other comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fp &#8211; probably the latter since i have no record of your other comment.</p>
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		<title>By: fp</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15609</link>
		<dc:creator>fp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 14:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amused, or as you would say &quot;humored,&quot; by your failure to release from moderation my comment regarding my search for a trotting horse named &quot;Jake the Snake.&quot;  The search, the pop cultural facet, the lake of data on harness racing in general -- all seemed relevant to your ponderings.  One wonders what the subtext might be for screening out a comment like that one.


Or perhaps I neglected to enter the word in the spam checker and I&#039;m simply paranoid...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amused, or as you would say &#8220;humored,&#8221; by your failure to release from moderation my comment regarding my search for a trotting horse named &#8220;Jake the Snake.&#8221;  The search, the pop cultural facet, the lake of data on harness racing in general &#8212; all seemed relevant to your ponderings.  One wonders what the subtext might be for screening out a comment like that one.</p>
<p>Or perhaps I neglected to enter the word in the spam checker and I&#8217;m simply paranoid&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15608</link>
		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 10:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another failed query: &quot;Southwest airlines san francisco to los angeles&quot;  or &quot;Southwest airlines SFO to LAX&quot; -- i&#039;m trying to find the various reports on Southwest opening up at SFO again to see if they&#039;ll fly to LAX.  Everything is way old.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another failed query: &#8220;Southwest airlines san francisco to los angeles&#8221;  or &#8220;Southwest airlines SFO to LAX&#8221; &#8212; i&#8217;m trying to find the various reports on Southwest opening up at SFO again to see if they&#8217;ll fly to LAX.  Everything is way old.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/05/09/quality_of_goog.html/comment-page-1#comment-15607</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 00:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See your prvious post for the source of the spelling mistakes... As more people come online and make up their own spelling, you can see how they will reweight it. Given 20 years or more of not teaching converged spelling, but encouraging &#039;creativity&#039; instead of explaining the phoneme to glyph mapping that english uses, that is what you end up with.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See your prvious post for the source of the spelling mistakes&#8230; As more people come online and make up their own spelling, you can see how they will reweight it. Given 20 years or more of not teaching converged spelling, but encouraging &#8216;creativity&#8217; instead of explaining the phoneme to glyph mapping that english uses, that is what you end up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,


The + operator was definitely present in Altavista, although I don&#039;t know if they were the originators. For those who might not be familiar, the meaning of the &quot;big three&quot; operators is as folows:


Quotes: Enclosing a portion of the search string in quotes (&quot;&quot;) mandates that the target document must contain that exact phrase


Plus: The + operator indicates that the prefaced word or phrase *must* appear in the document. Example:


+Harry +Potter


implies that both the term Harry and the term Potter must appear in a returned document. This is the Boolean &quot;AND&quot; condition.


Search default is the &quot;OR&quot; condition where all documents containing either &quot;Harry&quot; or &quot;Potter &quot;might be returned. Of course, Google then uses its own mysterious &quot;relevance&quot; algorithms which in practice bring the results containing both &quot;Harry&quot; and &quot;Potter&quot; to the top of the list. Probably with a preference for the exact phrase &quot;Harry Potter&quot;. However, I prefer not to rely on a relevance algorithim - especially one which is not open source.


Minus: The - operator is an exclusion. The returned document must *not* contain the prefixed word or phrase. I fund this useful in refining results after I get a large number of unwanted hits with similar content in common.


People who just type in keywords without using operators are putting their trust in an unknown relevance algorithim which is constantly being tweaked and retweaked and is driven in large part by commercial concerns - i.e. People with commercial sites try to &quot;optimize&quot; them for higher results ranking and Google constantly tries to tweak their algorithim to outwit Search Engine Optimization strategies that it sees as illegitimate.


I know those guys have billions of dollars, and I don&#039;t, but I&#039;d rather see plain simple usable search which does not treat the user as a pawn in a commercial chessgame.


-Steve
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>The + operator was definitely present in Altavista, although I don&#8217;t know if they were the originators. For those who might not be familiar, the meaning of the &#8220;big three&#8221; operators is as folows:</p>
<p>Quotes: Enclosing a portion of the search string in quotes (&#8220;&#8221;) mandates that the target document must contain that exact phrase</p>
<p>Plus: The + operator indicates that the prefaced word or phrase *must* appear in the document. Example:</p>
<p>+Harry +Potter</p>
<p>implies that both the term Harry and the term Potter must appear in a returned document. This is the Boolean &#8220;AND&#8221; condition.</p>
<p>Search default is the &#8220;OR&#8221; condition where all documents containing either &#8220;Harry&#8221; or &#8220;Potter &#8220;might be returned. Of course, Google then uses its own mysterious &#8220;relevance&#8221; algorithms which in practice bring the results containing both &#8220;Harry&#8221; and &#8220;Potter&#8221; to the top of the list. Probably with a preference for the exact phrase &#8220;Harry Potter&#8221;. However, I prefer not to rely on a relevance algorithim &#8211; especially one which is not open source.</p>
<p>Minus: The &#8211; operator is an exclusion. The returned document must *not* contain the prefixed word or phrase. I fund this useful in refining results after I get a large number of unwanted hits with similar content in common.</p>
<p>People who just type in keywords without using operators are putting their trust in an unknown relevance algorithim which is constantly being tweaked and retweaked and is driven in large part by commercial concerns &#8211; i.e. People with commercial sites try to &#8220;optimize&#8221; them for higher results ranking and Google constantly tries to tweak their algorithim to outwit Search Engine Optimization strategies that it sees as illegitimate.</p>
<p>I know those guys have billions of dollars, and I don&#8217;t, but I&#8217;d rather see plain simple usable search which does not treat the user as a pawn in a commercial chessgame.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Moochie Bennen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moochie Bennen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try typing in &quot;she invented&quot; and see what it asks you what you meant.
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