Comments on: web 1-2-3

By: Lori

Lori — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:41:42 +0000

1. libertarian idealism is an oxymoron if i ever heard 1
2. web 3.0 is definitely a premature nomenclature, as per henrik
3. usenet was the quintessential web 1.0 technology as, until deja (and
later google) bought it, it was the closest thing to an unowned -or-
unpoliced entity. it was also a massive copying machine, which gave
usenet archiving a neat holographic tendency–forensically the next best
thing to the old trick of snailing your ideas to yourself in a
wax-sealed envelope, to be deposited unopened in a safe deposit box. the
so-called wayback machines seem a poor substitute.
4. i remember the transition from usenet-oriented internet (and uucp,
decnet, bitnet, fidonet etc.) to web-oriented internet circa 1993 as a
loss of innocence, more than anything else.
5. i see the emergence of the blogosphere as a sort of partial
renaissance in online kulture, in that again there is a place for noncommercial
content
6. commercial social networking is a case study in asymmetric data
mining, the -further- informational empowerment of hr (where anything can
and will be used against you), and of course branded varieties of life
experience. a more fitting nomenclature would be web -1.0
7. web 3.0 as you define it categorically excludes me, as my network
resources are a barebones prepaid $ell phone and a computer lab the local
community college generously allows the larger community to access, w.
of course 1st dibs for the campus community. nevertheless, i have
been putting icbm tags in as many as possible of my documents, ucann
geourl me around the mcc south campus library @ 42.505, -82.972
8. a worthy evolution, in my nsho, would be lower barriers to what i
term ‘server side netizen(ship),’ (massage my ego–search it!) w/o regard
to whether this is wireless

By: Chris

Chris — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:44:43 +0000

hey danah,

I agree, the web is moving towards places … one example I just found is http://www.tupalo.com. it seems to be still in an early stage of development and doesn’t have many users. still, I like the idea behind it.

chris

By: Henrik

Henrik — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:40:13 +0000

While I agree with you on the mobile challenge I don’t see anything worthy of a Web 3.0 tag on the horizon. If it took nearly 10 years for us to go from version 1.0 to version 2.0 the next one has to be a major shift in mindset. That is unlikely to happen in the heels of 2.0, no I think adding location is just an enhancement of current trends. The day that someone figures out how to make 3D navigation really usefull, well ….

By: Jens Alfke

Jens Alfke — Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:46:39 +0000

Hi, me again
This post I totally agree with. Two little points –

(1) Blogging and friendstering is often as much about building new social networks, by meeting people online, as about maintaining existing offline ones. The open, confessional tone of many blogs/journals lends itself to discovering people, and once you’ve made friends with one person you are now exposed to _their_ friends, whom you’re likely to also find interesting. This is certainly what happened to me when I joined LiveJournal; none of my real-life friends joined for months or years afterwards (if ever).

(2) There are definite signs that social-networking websites may be trying to emulate the same walled-garden, all-controlling stranglehold of the cell carriers. MySpace is making it pretty clear that they will block people from putting up any widgets that they consider competition, especially ones that could make people money. MySpace execs have been complaining about how YouTube “exploited” MySpace to become popular, and they won’t let anything like that happen again. My question now is, will they succeed at this, or will the users abandon MySpace for something more open?

By: Steve

Steve — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:59:57 +0000

In some ways the whole blogging for friends thing reminds me of those cute little newsletters people send out around Christmas to let their distant friends and family know what they’ve been doing all year. But the Internet allows that to happen on steroids – all day every day.

By: zephoria

zephoria — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:56:40 +0000

John – i think that there are many topical bloggers for whom blogging is about connecting around interests, often with strangers. What i meant by taking hold refers to the much more dominant blogging practice epitomized by teens where people blog for and amongst friends. This is the whole power-law issue. Most people don’t have readers that they don’t know, yet they still blog. I think that this trend is far more visible with the social network sites than with blogging because of the interest-driven blogging.

By: John Dodds

John Dodds — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:41:22 +0000

“As blogging began to take hold, people started arranging themselves around pre-existing friend groups.”

I think this is dependent upon one’s definition of a blog – my blogging experience lies outside the social networks of MySpace et al. Thus it has involved no-one that I previously knew, although I have come to meet many of the people with whom I have interacted blog-wise.

I think the early adopter model more or less still prevails amongst bloggers (in my definition) but that the “blogging” of the social networks is a very different phenomenon.

By: elzr

elzr — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:35:42 +0000

You gotta love libertarian idealism. But allowing for “complexity and plenitude of rules themselves” is part of that. Net neutrality–an end-to-end internet–is just one more ruleset. Yes, i do cherish it myself, but enshrining and imposing it through government (!) is hardly libertarian idealism.

Interesting article anyway (very personal, as Ilya mentions, and therefore all the more intriguing).

By: Ilya Lichtenstein

Ilya Lichtenstein — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:47:38 +0000

I like this post as another example of how terms like Web 2.0/3.0 mean completely different things to different people. You argue that Web 3.0 will be built geographically-focused, mobile-based applications, and you may be right. Others argue that Web 3.0 will be the Semantic Web, driven by applications that understand. For an example, see my look at Freeweb, which bills itself as the first Web 3.0 application. Hell, the startup I am currently working for, Avanoo we only half-jokingly call a Web 6.0 application. I think the terms will keep changing, but when the next generation of the web arrives, we will know, just as we now know with Web 2.0.

By: James

James — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:12:35 +0000

I’d disagree that the handset makers like propping up the carriers – one of the reasons the Nokia 770/800 doesn’t have a radio, only bluetooth/wifi is so they didn’t have to deal with getting it approved by a carrier. Wifi will only get more prevalent and phones with SIP clients and wifi are already out, so between that and the OpenMoko I don’t think the future is that bleak.