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		<title>By: pekpekshorts</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/25/an_interview_wi.html/comment-page-1#comment-15100</link>
		<dc:creator>pekpekshorts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How have other folks combated extreme media positions before? Any advice for being more effective?&quot;


Media or not, the keyword is &#039;extreme.&#039; Watch a mac fanboy&#039;s face turn red as his blood pressure rise when performance related questions are asked about his machine. And how do you make a point to someone who&#039;s already considered you inept for using a PC? You can&#039;t.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How have other folks combated extreme media positions before? Any advice for being more effective?&#8221;</p>
<p>Media or not, the keyword is &#8216;extreme.&#8217; Watch a mac fanboy&#8217;s face turn red as his blood pressure rise when performance related questions are asked about his machine. And how do you make a point to someone who&#8217;s already considered you inept for using a PC? You can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: anasuya</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/25/an_interview_wi.html/comment-page-1#comment-15099</link>
		<dc:creator>anasuya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a really important question you ask, danah, not because it&#039;s about personal criticism (which I&#039;m sure you pass over pretty quickly), but because it is about expressing complex issues in ways that extend our constituencies of listening. I don&#039;t agree that we should only speak to our charmed circles of agreement, because what&#039;s so radical about that? (Besides, I work with the police on violence against women and children, so I know where some of this comes from!)


I agree with your friends who have prefaced your insights with a few &#039;explanatory&#039; messages, or who have combined complex arguments with simple(r) - and not necessarily simplistic - messages. Often, using these messages (with a dose of humour/irony/satire) helps in getting people to a threshold of engaged listening (even if it&#039;s not in agreement). Post that, you can raise the bar on complexity.


Frankly, I think you do that already in your writing on this blog; I hardly work in this area, but greatly enjoy reading your posts. So perhaps you should just figure out ways of getting this potent brew into your interviews!


And even publishers sometimes capitalise cummings: ouch. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a really important question you ask, danah, not because it&#8217;s about personal criticism (which I&#8217;m sure you pass over pretty quickly), but because it is about expressing complex issues in ways that extend our constituencies of listening. I don&#8217;t agree that we should only speak to our charmed circles of agreement, because what&#8217;s so radical about that? (Besides, I work with the police on violence against women and children, so I know where some of this comes from!)</p>
<p>I agree with your friends who have prefaced your insights with a few &#8216;explanatory&#8217; messages, or who have combined complex arguments with simple(r) &#8211; and not necessarily simplistic &#8211; messages. Often, using these messages (with a dose of humour/irony/satire) helps in getting people to a threshold of engaged listening (even if it&#8217;s not in agreement). Post that, you can raise the bar on complexity.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think you do that already in your writing on this blog; I hardly work in this area, but greatly enjoy reading your posts. So perhaps you should just figure out ways of getting this potent brew into your interviews!</p>
<p>And even publishers sometimes capitalise cummings: ouch. <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: min</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/25/an_interview_wi.html/comment-page-1#comment-15098</link>
		<dc:creator>min</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>danah,
i&#039;d just like to say: as a youth and from a youth&#039;s perspective, you were spot on, not only in this interview but in all your comments, interviews, blog posts, etc., etc.... just keep on doing the best you can. you are reaching far more than you know.
and thanks for always having a different perspective on things. it&#039;s very refreshing!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>danah,<br />
i&#8217;d just like to say: as a youth and from a youth&#8217;s perspective, you were spot on, not only in this interview but in all your comments, interviews, blog posts, etc., etc&#8230;. just keep on doing the best you can. you are reaching far more than you know.<br />
and thanks for always having a different perspective on things. it&#8217;s very refreshing!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s up with Brazilian kids doing fake people on Orkut?


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/kadiwow/376437011/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/kadiwow/376437011/&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/sesameellis/376208877/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/sesameellis/376208877/&lt;/a&gt;


Sigh... my contacts on Flickr are pretty upset about this, I fear this will lead to a second wave of exodus.
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<p>Sigh&#8230; my contacts on Flickr are pretty upset about this, I fear this will lead to a second wave of exodus.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the criticisms are generational. Take solice in the fact that you&#039;ll outlive them.
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elle,


I understand the effect you  are pointing out - some people will interpret an uncapitalized name as literary pretentiousness and cop an attitude.


All I was trying to say is that I don&#039;t think this intro was malicious or represented deliberate framing on the part of the writer. Look at their problem in presentation. The first thing they need to mention is their subject&#039;s name. And, as it happens, the presentation of that name immediately breaks traditional rules of style. If the writer doesn&#039;t insert the caveat that this is the way danah chooses to present her name, it leaves them open to the audience assuming this is an error in presentation on their own part.


Perhaps there might have been a more graceful way to resolve that concern, but none occurs to me.


-Steve
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elle,</p>
<p>I understand the effect you  are pointing out &#8211; some people will interpret an uncapitalized name as literary pretentiousness and cop an attitude.</p>
<p>All I was trying to say is that I don&#8217;t think this intro was malicious or represented deliberate framing on the part of the writer. Look at their problem in presentation. The first thing they need to mention is their subject&#8217;s name. And, as it happens, the presentation of that name immediately breaks traditional rules of style. If the writer doesn&#8217;t insert the caveat that this is the way danah chooses to present her name, it leaves them open to the audience assuming this is an error in presentation on their own part.</p>
<p>Perhaps there might have been a more graceful way to resolve that concern, but none occurs to me.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Elle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m saying as that with such an intro it becomes about danah&#039;s caracter, not her discours.. it&#039;s called an anchor point. The anchor point, here,is that there are her name have no Caps . So people, conservative stuck-up people will decide right away to  discredite danah bcause of her &#039;&#039;queer&#039;&#039; ways and out of the box attitude. Readers can be manipulated with intros and ways to present the info, but not many journalist get that in  journalism. That being said, danah, you don&#039;t capitalize your name and change your style just for a few idiots ! The more you get out there, the more they will find you !!! Frustrated humans that focus on positions rather than interests are everywhere !!! So my advice : forget with idiots and if the critics are right then learn from them.
ok now,moving on to something else. 20 comments on a futile matter is typical, is&#039;nt it !? ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m saying as that with such an intro it becomes about danah&#8217;s caracter, not her discours.. it&#8217;s called an anchor point. The anchor point, here,is that there are her name have no Caps . So people, conservative stuck-up people will decide right away to  discredite danah bcause of her &#8221;queer&#8221; ways and out of the box attitude. Readers can be manipulated with intros and ways to present the info, but not many journalist get that in  journalism. That being said, danah, you don&#8217;t capitalize your name and change your style just for a few idiots ! The more you get out there, the more they will find you !!! Frustrated humans that focus on positions rather than interests are everywhere !!! So my advice : forget with idiots and if the critics are right then learn from them.<br />
ok now,moving on to something else. 20 comments on a futile matter is typical, is&#8217;nt it !? <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039; Social researcher danah boyd (who generally chooses not to capitalize her name) &#039;&#039;


From the viewpoint of the writer, I think they almost have to include something to that effect. Otherwise readers might think it was an error.


This will ease up when danah becomes as famous as e e cummings.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Social researcher danah boyd (who generally chooses not to capitalize her name) &#8221;</p>
<p>From the viewpoint of the writer, I think they almost have to include something to that effect. Otherwise readers might think it was an error.</p>
<p>This will ease up when danah becomes as famous as e e cummings.</p>
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		<title>By: Elle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039; Social researcher danah boyd (who generally chooses not to capitalize her name) &#039;&#039;
That certainly gave the tone to the article. Even if that detail has nothing to do with anything, it irritated conservative readers. After all, who are you to ditch the Caps!!? ;) It&#039;s very suttle, but such intro gives a tone to an article. All of a sudden, you&#039;re not the phd candidate and specialist, but the women that doesn&#039;t capitalize her name ! Anyways, don&#039;t worry about it. You can&#039;t control the way the media willl package the paper (I&#039;m sure the writer din&#039;t mean harm). I work in the media, and really, the truth is, as soon as you express anything, you&#039;ll find somebody somewhere that will either be shoked, or bitch about something said !
Lastly, i found it quite interesting, how parents/ teachers responded.... Hey, guys, the best way to know your teen is to TALK to them.. not get scientific about their online activity ! !! Cheers !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Social researcher danah boyd (who generally chooses not to capitalize her name) &#8221;<br />
That certainly gave the tone to the article. Even if that detail has nothing to do with anything, it irritated conservative readers. After all, who are you to ditch the Caps!!? <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s very suttle, but such intro gives a tone to an article. All of a sudden, you&#8217;re not the phd candidate and specialist, but the women that doesn&#8217;t capitalize her name ! Anyways, don&#8217;t worry about it. You can&#8217;t control the way the media willl package the paper (I&#8217;m sure the writer din&#8217;t mean harm). I work in the media, and really, the truth is, as soon as you express anything, you&#8217;ll find somebody somewhere that will either be shoked, or bitch about something said !<br />
Lastly, i found it quite interesting, how parents/ teachers responded&#8230;. Hey, guys, the best way to know your teen is to TALK to them.. not get scientific about their online activity ! !! Cheers !</p>
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		<title>By: nabil</title>
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		<dc:creator>nabil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey there danah--


i love your work.  i&#039;ve been using your ideas when talking about folks i know with children.  some ways that i frame your research when discussing it, that make it easier for folks to listen:


* of course we are all concerned with protecting children.  danah has done x number of years in violence prevention work-- she&#039;s always thinking about safety as she does her research.


* most children are not at risk for violence when they go online; most children are only talking to people they already know online.


* a very small minority of children go online actively looking to meet new people, because they are so isolated in real-life.  it is actually possible to identify these children based on their networks of connections-- one of the things danah is looking at is how to do online social work to reach out to and help at-risk children who could not otherwise be reached.


you don&#039;t necessarily need to go into all of those issues, but i think it would be useful to make a few statements in interviews:


* i am extremely concerned about children&#039;s safety, and have done x years of violence prevention work.


* the internet is safer for children then many other activities that they do all the time-- list some.


* comfort with computers is crucial for folks today to be able to get jobs, participate as citizens, etc.  one of the ways folks get comfortable with computers is by going online.  so you have to look at the risk vs the benefit when discussing children&#039;s online access.


* the best thing parents can do to protect kids when they go online is to talk to them about how they respond when somebody they don&#039;t know contacts them.


just some thoughts on potential ways to frame your ideas.  good luck!  yr already the most effective person doing this work; but i fully believe you can get even more effective!


xxxooo


nabil
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey there danah&#8211;</p>
<p>i love your work.  i&#8217;ve been using your ideas when talking about folks i know with children.  some ways that i frame your research when discussing it, that make it easier for folks to listen:</p>
<p>* of course we are all concerned with protecting children.  danah has done x number of years in violence prevention work&#8211; she&#8217;s always thinking about safety as she does her research.</p>
<p>* most children are not at risk for violence when they go online; most children are only talking to people they already know online.</p>
<p>* a very small minority of children go online actively looking to meet new people, because they are so isolated in real-life.  it is actually possible to identify these children based on their networks of connections&#8211; one of the things danah is looking at is how to do online social work to reach out to and help at-risk children who could not otherwise be reached.</p>
<p>you don&#8217;t necessarily need to go into all of those issues, but i think it would be useful to make a few statements in interviews:</p>
<p>* i am extremely concerned about children&#8217;s safety, and have done x years of violence prevention work.</p>
<p>* the internet is safer for children then many other activities that they do all the time&#8211; list some.</p>
<p>* comfort with computers is crucial for folks today to be able to get jobs, participate as citizens, etc.  one of the ways folks get comfortable with computers is by going online.  so you have to look at the risk vs the benefit when discussing children&#8217;s online access.</p>
<p>* the best thing parents can do to protect kids when they go online is to talk to them about how they respond when somebody they don&#8217;t know contacts them.</p>
<p>just some thoughts on potential ways to frame your ideas.  good luck!  yr already the most effective person doing this work; but i fully believe you can get even more effective!</p>
<p>xxxooo</p>
<p>nabil</p>
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