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		<title>By: Jessica Margolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Margolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) Hypothesis:  boys socialize with existing friends via xbox (and around game interactions), not myspace. Further, they may be more likely than girls to be out of the house rather than in it.


(2) Overly worried about girls:  My opinion (based on observations as a parent of a teen boy and conversations with my friends who parent girls and boys) is that girls often mature so much earlier than boys, it&#039;s really that parents are afraid that their 15 year old daughter really *is* grown up in some fundamental way and so will be much more tempted to &quot;leave childhood&quot; if they meet a stranger than their son.


But I do agree with your comment that the burden of anxiety is propagated via girls, also.


(3) Privacy: Since kindergarten (1997), every year my son has had to not only listen in class but personally sign a paper for school that describes the horrible dangers of being online and that he agrees to never give certain types of information out.  Assuming this experience is typical, all memory of using the internet has been with the understanding that it&#039;s public.  He never had to &quot;realize&quot; that his conversations could be seen by others, it was deeply embedded in the whole experience of being online.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Hypothesis:  boys socialize with existing friends via xbox (and around game interactions), not myspace. Further, they may be more likely than girls to be out of the house rather than in it.</p>
<p>(2) Overly worried about girls:  My opinion (based on observations as a parent of a teen boy and conversations with my friends who parent girls and boys) is that girls often mature so much earlier than boys, it&#8217;s really that parents are afraid that their 15 year old daughter really *is* grown up in some fundamental way and so will be much more tempted to &#8220;leave childhood&#8221; if they meet a stranger than their son.</p>
<p>But I do agree with your comment that the burden of anxiety is propagated via girls, also.</p>
<p>(3) Privacy: Since kindergarten (1997), every year my son has had to not only listen in class but personally sign a paper for school that describes the horrible dangers of being online and that he agrees to never give certain types of information out.  Assuming this experience is typical, all memory of using the internet has been with the understanding that it&#8217;s public.  He never had to &#8220;realize&#8221; that his conversations could be seen by others, it was deeply embedded in the whole experience of being online.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/07/pew_data_on_soc.html/comment-page-1#comment-14989</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding use of public comments for private or directed conversations;


A friend of mine who teaches &quot;media literacy&quot; (if that is the correct english term) pointed out that one reason for that could be an ingrained need of children and teens to &lt;em&gt;be interesting&lt;/em&gt;. In a way asking everyone to &quot;please be interested in what I do&quot;.


Small children do this by repeating &quot;mommy! look!&quot;  a thousand times or as long as it takes for mom to turn her head. Teens seek attention in other ways, be it showing photos of themselves or revealing mundane things we consider private. Adults put up blogs and strive to be remarkable. ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding use of public comments for private or directed conversations;</p>
<p>A friend of mine who teaches &#8220;media literacy&#8221; (if that is the correct english term) pointed out that one reason for that could be an ingrained need of children and teens to <em>be interesting</em>. In a way asking everyone to &#8220;please be interested in what I do&#8221;.</p>
<p>Small children do this by repeating &#8220;mommy! look!&#8221;  a thousand times or as long as it takes for mom to turn her head. Teens seek attention in other ways, be it showing photos of themselves or revealing mundane things we consider private. Adults put up blogs and strive to be remarkable. <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/07/pew_data_on_soc.html/comment-page-1#comment-14988</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of being controversial, I&#039;m going to suggest that it&#039;s reasonable from a parent&#039;s viewpoint to be more protective of girls than boys in their online behavior. I&#039;m going to assume numbers not in evidence, and give my personal perception of various differences in gender-based reality, but I&#039;d certainly be receptive if anybody has numbers or strong anecdotal evidence that would contradict those perceptions.


(1) Online predation is more likely to be directed toward young women than young men. We are still predominantly a hetrosexual and male-agressive society. This suggests that the overwhelmingly dominant mode of predation will be M seeking F. Certainly all the other permutations happen, but I would suggest that they happen less, and that girls are at greater risk of being approached.


(2) If a physical meeting occurs with a potential predator, males will in general have better resources available to defend themselves physically than will females. There is still a strong cultural norm that suggests that a male should be competent to fight and capable of self-defense. For females this is at best an emerging norm. There are still a lot of &quot;helpless women&quot; out there (of all ages) who don&#039;t consider that it is their responsiblity to become physically competent to fight off an attacker. Plus, the diffetences in strength between men and women remain a biological reality. Admittedly this can be neutralized, but only at the additional cost of specialized self-defense training and/or weaponry.


I certainly understand and sympathize with the ideal that a person should be respected for the contents of their mind and soul, irrespective of their gender. However, gender differences and their behavioral and social consequences remain real for all that.


-Steve


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of being controversial, I&#8217;m going to suggest that it&#8217;s reasonable from a parent&#8217;s viewpoint to be more protective of girls than boys in their online behavior. I&#8217;m going to assume numbers not in evidence, and give my personal perception of various differences in gender-based reality, but I&#8217;d certainly be receptive if anybody has numbers or strong anecdotal evidence that would contradict those perceptions.</p>
<p>(1) Online predation is more likely to be directed toward young women than young men. We are still predominantly a hetrosexual and male-agressive society. This suggests that the overwhelmingly dominant mode of predation will be M seeking F. Certainly all the other permutations happen, but I would suggest that they happen less, and that girls are at greater risk of being approached.</p>
<p>(2) If a physical meeting occurs with a potential predator, males will in general have better resources available to defend themselves physically than will females. There is still a strong cultural norm that suggests that a male should be competent to fight and capable of self-defense. For females this is at best an emerging norm. There are still a lot of &#8220;helpless women&#8221; out there (of all ages) who don&#8217;t consider that it is their responsiblity to become physically competent to fight off an attacker. Plus, the diffetences in strength between men and women remain a biological reality. Admittedly this can be neutralized, but only at the additional cost of specialized self-defense training and/or weaponry.</p>
<p>I certainly understand and sympathize with the ideal that a person should be respected for the contents of their mind and soul, irrespective of their gender. However, gender differences and their behavioral and social consequences remain real for all that.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/07/pew_data_on_soc.html/comment-page-1#comment-14987</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of these private profiles are in response to the emerging trend of adult use of myspace, and in particular the trend of parents using it to monitor their kids? This would seem to be a powerful incentive, at least for kids who feel uncomfortable witht their parents knowing such things, which is many of them.


It used to be safe to assume that only your peers would see your profile, because MySpace was essentially a teen phenomenon to which parents were oblivious. That day has passed.


It sure would be interesting to do research on how many kids allow their parents onto their freinds list, and the issues surrounding that choice.


-Steve
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of these private profiles are in response to the emerging trend of adult use of myspace, and in particular the trend of parents using it to monitor their kids? This would seem to be a powerful incentive, at least for kids who feel uncomfortable witht their parents knowing such things, which is many of them.</p>
<p>It used to be safe to assume that only your peers would see your profile, because MySpace was essentially a teen phenomenon to which parents were oblivious. That day has passed.</p>
<p>It sure would be interesting to do research on how many kids allow their parents onto their freinds list, and the issues surrounding that choice.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/07/pew_data_on_soc.html/comment-page-1#comment-14986</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of public comments for &#039;private conversations&#039; is an interesting stat. I think it&#039;s more akin to &#039;tagging&#039; a user&#039;s profile with a personal comment than it is about communicating with the user. Posting a message to make plans indicates a connection. Facebook&#039;s wall makes the tagging metaphor explicit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of public comments for &#8216;private conversations&#8217; is an interesting stat. I think it&#8217;s more akin to &#8216;tagging&#8217; a user&#8217;s profile with a personal comment than it is about communicating with the user. Posting a message to make plans indicates a connection. Facebook&#8217;s wall makes the tagging metaphor explicit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo�o Miguel Neves</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/07/pew_data_on_soc.html/comment-page-1#comment-14985</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo�o Miguel Neves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that. I&#039;m one of those guys that was worried about having a new generation of people which disregarded their privacy. The 66% of teens not having their profile public tells me how wrong I was. Privacy is not about keeping you data private. It&#039;s about being able to choose how your personal data is handled. That figure shows that these teens have options to manage thei privacy and, more than that, that they are doing it. Thanks for setting some of my fears to rest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that. I&#8217;m one of those guys that was worried about having a new generation of people which disregarded their privacy. The 66% of teens not having their profile public tells me how wrong I was. Privacy is not about keeping you data private. It&#8217;s about being able to choose how your personal data is handled. That figure shows that these teens have options to manage thei privacy and, more than that, that they are doing it. Thanks for setting some of my fears to rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/07/pew_data_on_soc.html/comment-page-1#comment-14984</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me second what danah said. Our study isn&#039;t trying to do a deep study of the all of the verbal and non-verbal nuances of flirting. We wanted to know whether or not young people believed that that is what they themselves were doing on the site, as a way of getting at perceptions of the sites&#039; utility and function in their lives. Is it really about meeting new people? Romantic hook ups? or as danah so eloquently put it &quot;modeling your friend network?&quot;


Pew Internet&#039;s research has always been about understanding the user&#039;s perspective on their behavior, rather than trying to get at a &quot;true&quot; (and I might ask whether we all might have trouble coming to a satisfactory definition of what true is) read on a particular behavior or action.


So Monica is right, we aren&#039;t measuring unconscious online flirting, only conscious flirting activity; but our final research goals are also quite different.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me second what danah said. Our study isn&#8217;t trying to do a deep study of the all of the verbal and non-verbal nuances of flirting. We wanted to know whether or not young people believed that that is what they themselves were doing on the site, as a way of getting at perceptions of the sites&#8217; utility and function in their lives. Is it really about meeting new people? Romantic hook ups? or as danah so eloquently put it &#8220;modeling your friend network?&#8221;</p>
<p>Pew Internet&#8217;s research has always been about understanding the user&#8217;s perspective on their behavior, rather than trying to get at a &#8220;true&#8221; (and I might ask whether we all might have trouble coming to a satisfactory definition of what true is) read on a particular behavior or action.</p>
<p>So Monica is right, we aren&#8217;t measuring unconscious online flirting, only conscious flirting activity; but our final research goals are also quite different.</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monica - no doubt you&#039;re measuring something very different than what PEW is measuring.  This is self-reported data based on what people perceive themselves to be doing rather than behaviors that we recognize as flirting as witnesses.  My guess is also that what PEW was getting at wrt flirting concerns the stranger, not the peers that teens already know.  In other words, explicitly and consciously going to the site to flirt.  There is no doubt that MySpace (and IM, mobile phone, etc.) are used by peers to flirt with one another, continuing an interest that is rooted in physical interactions.  And i would concur with your views that much flirtation is unconcious and subtle.  That said, i think PEW&#039;s main point is: look, teens are not seeing these sites as online dating sites (even if adults do).  When it comes to the nuances of actual flirtation, i don&#039;t think that PEW&#039;s findings are applicable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monica &#8211; no doubt you&#8217;re measuring something very different than what PEW is measuring.  This is self-reported data based on what people perceive themselves to be doing rather than behaviors that we recognize as flirting as witnesses.  My guess is also that what PEW was getting at wrt flirting concerns the stranger, not the peers that teens already know.  In other words, explicitly and consciously going to the site to flirt.  There is no doubt that MySpace (and IM, mobile phone, etc.) are used by peers to flirt with one another, continuing an interest that is rooted in physical interactions.  And i would concur with your views that much flirtation is unconcious and subtle.  That said, i think PEW&#8217;s main point is: look, teens are not seeing these sites as online dating sites (even if adults do).  When it comes to the nuances of actual flirtation, i don&#8217;t think that PEW&#8217;s findings are applicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Whitty</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/07/pew_data_on_soc.html/comment-page-1#comment-14982</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Whitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello again. My research actually considers across all the age groups. In fact I would agree with many other psychologists who have argued that when you consider all of the cues involved in flirting it is often women who makes the opening move (e.g., Monica Moore&#039;s wonderful study). You have to understand that firting is not simply telling someone they are attractive and that it does not always happen on a conscious level. So when you simply ask people do you flirt online you may not be getting a true measure.


Currently, my PhD student is examining Myspace and is not finding so far that men flirt more than women. But then she is not simply asking: Do you flirt online.


Also, many teenagers are communicating online with people they know offline.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again. My research actually considers across all the age groups. In fact I would agree with many other psychologists who have argued that when you consider all of the cues involved in flirting it is often women who makes the opening move (e.g., Monica Moore&#8217;s wonderful study). You have to understand that firting is not simply telling someone they are attractive and that it does not always happen on a conscious level. So when you simply ask people do you flirt online you may not be getting a true measure.</p>
<p>Currently, my PhD student is examining Myspace and is not finding so far that men flirt more than women. But then she is not simply asking: Do you flirt online.</p>
<p>Also, many teenagers are communicating online with people they know offline.</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprisingly because we&#039;re dealing with teenage girls who have been told over and over and over again that they should be terrified of any guy that they meet online.  Monica - my understanding is that your work deals with adults.  Am i mistaken?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprisingly because we&#8217;re dealing with teenage girls who have been told over and over and over again that they should be terrified of any guy that they meet online.  Monica &#8211; my understanding is that your work deals with adults.  Am i mistaken?</p>
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