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		<title>By: pipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>pipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something from the European rumor mill: Nintendo is going to set a conversion rate of 4:1 for Star points to Wii points according to German mag:
&lt;a&gt;go now&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something from the European rumor mill: Nintendo is going to set a conversion rate of 4:1 for Star points to Wii points according to German mag:<br />
<a>go now</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian O' Hanlon</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/03/some_thoughts_o.html/comment-page-1#comment-14976</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O' Hanlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cooperationcommons.com/cooperation-commons/talk-delivered-in-dublin-by-architect-herman-hertzberger&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Herman on Form.&lt;/a&gt;


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		<title>By: Brian O' Hanlon</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/03/some_thoughts_o.html/comment-page-1#comment-14975</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O' Hanlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some other useful references to support my &#039;How long does the platform last&#039;, piece up above. Clay Shirky had linked &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this interesting comparison&lt;/a&gt; between the MIT and the Berkeley philosophy. It contains an account of a conversation between an ITS and a Berkeley Unix programmer. Nicholas Carr linked this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2006/12/love_american_style_web_20_and_narcissism_1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog rant&lt;/a&gt; about web 2.0, and a print journalist using a legal pad to write. When I think about it, Nick Carr&#039;s blog site is an extremely rich treasure trove of discussion about old and new world technologies. How they are meeting together at one period in history, commentators have chosen to label &#039;web 2.0&#039;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some other useful references to support my &#8216;How long does the platform last&#8217;, piece up above. Clay Shirky had linked <a href="http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html?referer=');">this interesting comparison</a> between the MIT and the Berkeley philosophy. It contains an account of a conversation between an ITS and a Berkeley Unix programmer. Nicholas Carr linked this <a href="http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2006/12/love_american_style_web_20_and_narcissism_1.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2006/12/love_american_style_web_20_and_narcissism_1.html?referer=');">blog rant</a> about web 2.0, and a print journalist using a legal pad to write. When I think about it, Nick Carr&#8217;s blog site is an extremely rich treasure trove of discussion about old and new world technologies. How they are meeting together at one period in history, commentators have chosen to label &#8216;web 2.0&#8242;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian O' Hanlon</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/03/some_thoughts_o.html/comment-page-1#comment-14974</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O' Hanlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting blog post by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/12/invasive_comput.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nick  Carr&lt;/a&gt; which considers the forms of computing that young people may experience in the future.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting blog post by <a href="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/12/invasive_comput.php" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/12/invasive_comput.php?referer=');">Nick  Carr</a> which considers the forms of computing that young people may experience in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Helio had a little more savvy, (ok, maybe a lot) and worked harder to push all the merits of smarter phones and sold more than just their hip MySpace models, and the SNS sites developed better mobile platforms, it would be a no-brainer; kids with money to burn would pour enormous amounts of cash in. I was talking with someone who had a Sidekick and was jealous of my Q, and yet I was shocked to hear just how much he paid for his basic features when my phone did so much more. The technology and the networks exist (infrastructure wise for the data, not so much for the software) but it would not be very hard -at all- to set it up. I&#039;m still shocked it hasn&#039;t happened yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Helio had a little more savvy, (ok, maybe a lot) and worked harder to push all the merits of smarter phones and sold more than just their hip MySpace models, and the SNS sites developed better mobile platforms, it would be a no-brainer; kids with money to burn would pour enormous amounts of cash in. I was talking with someone who had a Sidekick and was jealous of my Q, and yet I was shocked to hear just how much he paid for his basic features when my phone did so much more. The technology and the networks exist (infrastructure wise for the data, not so much for the software) but it would not be very hard -at all- to set it up. I&#8217;m still shocked it hasn&#8217;t happened yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Joost Bekel</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/03/some_thoughts_o.html/comment-page-1#comment-14972</link>
		<dc:creator>Joost Bekel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Danah, you probably heard of the tag-game, invented by Jef Pulver. I&#039;m tagging you now! Hope you appreciate it! See &lt;a href=&quot;http://bekels.blog.com/1422686/.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bekels.blog.com/1422686/.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danah, you probably heard of the tag-game, invented by Jef Pulver. I&#8217;m tagging you now! Hope you appreciate it! See <a href="http://bekels.blog.com/1422686/." rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/bekels.blog.com/1422686/.?referer=');">http://bekels.blog.com/1422686/.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian O' Hanlon</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/03/some_thoughts_o.html/comment-page-1#comment-14971</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O' Hanlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the most obvious one of all to web applications comes when you read Alan Deutschman&#039;s, The Second Coming of Steve Jobs.


And compare the &#039;loss&#039; of that platform of the Next box, with the creation of a new platform - the web itself, remembered by Tim Berners Lee, in his book, Weaving the Web.


Love what you burn, burn what you love.


You will also find evidence of the birth of the PC gaming industry, in Masters of Doom by David Kushner.


Where the young John Carmack spends a winter in a northern state using his black next cube, while the ground outside was white with snow.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the most obvious one of all to web applications comes when you read Alan Deutschman&#8217;s, The Second Coming of Steve Jobs.</p>
<p>And compare the &#8216;loss&#8217; of that platform of the Next box, with the creation of a new platform &#8211; the web itself, remembered by Tim Berners Lee, in his book, Weaving the Web.</p>
<p>Love what you burn, burn what you love.</p>
<p>You will also find evidence of the birth of the PC gaming industry, in Masters of Doom by David Kushner.</p>
<p>Where the young John Carmack spends a winter in a northern state using his black next cube, while the ground outside was white with snow.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian O' Hanlon</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/03/some_thoughts_o.html/comment-page-1#comment-14970</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O' Hanlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An obvious reference for my writing above is,


David B. Brownlee
David G. De Long


co-authored a book about the architect Louis Kahn,
published by Thames and Hudson.


The ideas I got for exploring hardware and its history in computing, derive a lot from Brownlee and De Long&#039;s discussion in that book, about Kahn.


Kahn would try to understand what a school started out as - a space underneath a tree in a village, where all the young kids would collect to listen to an older knowledgeable person speak. It was only later, that things become more forumalised and regulated in a schooling system per se.


As in the discussion of Alvin Toffler, about the &#039;industrialisation&#039; of schooling system.


Kahn felt it was important for the architect to understand the early essence, the origins of building spaces - if the modern interpretation was to be of any success.


For instance, with kids, you tube and parents fighting - you have to go back to the origins - like the light switch, where there were only two bits! The light is either on or off, and see how kids manipulated that to their advantage, and controlled the environment in which adults were trying to occupy.


This is what I mean about the adobe acrobat platform too - sure it Professor Iansiti dealt with the ecological network effects employed by MBAs at adobe to create the franchise as it were.


It is a way of looking at business, similar to the ideas in Mark Buchanan&#039;s book, on Small Worlds and the ground breaking theory of networks.


PDF has been a fantastic success as a business strategy - a role model even.


But the &#039;translation&#039; from physical book to digital book isn&#039;t wonderful imo. The origin of the PDF was the book. But the PDF embodies very little of the original essence of that older platform I feel.


Ted Nelson talks about this, in the copy and paste translation of software engineers, which was a very poor imitation of what he remembers while working for a newspaper in NYC.


Negroponte discusses technology in a similar way in his book &#039;Being Digital&#039;. About the former lives of tools we find in the digital environment - and how sucessfully or poorly in some cases, their translation has been.


I would greatly anticipate Danah Boyd writing something along those lines. Where we see examples in her writing of other progressions in technology, to allow us to get a handle on the same notion of progression in web applications.


Or this sense of history, the layers of archaeology that Christine Finn has explored in her work. Where she talks about the compression of time, into momentary flickers which appear for a second and then seem to disappear again, almost as if they never existed.


That is the nature of digital platforms sometimes - they don&#039;t have a life inherent in themselves - but they only live afterwards as ghostly shadows and flickers on the cave walls, as echos in later code.


&quot;If changes in one small area are too quickly communicated across a system as a whole, they would tend to be dampened out. New and dissenting ideas need time to accumulate evidence and argument.&quot;


Ilya Prigogine, winner of a nobel prize for chemistry.


Boyd has mentioned this before no doubt, as in hacking on live servers - patching code until 4 in the morning - the Ruby, PHP phenomenon of SNS.


We have to find another way to respond to the coming and passing of various platforms. To deal with this &#039;loss&#039; of platforms.


I think that my piece about, about &#039;How long does a platform really last&#039;, offers at least a small philosophical route forward in our thinking about it. The notion that even though a company dies, or a product is no more, a part of it still stays alive - somewhat like Dawkins and Susan Blackmore&#039;s idea of the meme.


But we have to get past this notion of the god given right of American software companies to exist and last for ever. When history proves that not to be the case. We have to find a different way to deal with their passing - rather than the usual &#039;black and white&#039; way we deal with the issue. The company is either alive or dead.


I guess the network and ecological analogies do help there also, and give us another route to develop our thinking. We can no longer see this huge brand names purely in isolation, but to be alive they have to form a large organism with only creatures and environments.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An obvious reference for my writing above is,</p>
<p>David B. Brownlee<br />
David G. De Long</p>
<p>co-authored a book about the architect Louis Kahn,<br />
published by Thames and Hudson.</p>
<p>The ideas I got for exploring hardware and its history in computing, derive a lot from Brownlee and De Long&#8217;s discussion in that book, about Kahn.</p>
<p>Kahn would try to understand what a school started out as &#8211; a space underneath a tree in a village, where all the young kids would collect to listen to an older knowledgeable person speak. It was only later, that things become more forumalised and regulated in a schooling system per se.</p>
<p>As in the discussion of Alvin Toffler, about the &#8216;industrialisation&#8217; of schooling system.</p>
<p>Kahn felt it was important for the architect to understand the early essence, the origins of building spaces &#8211; if the modern interpretation was to be of any success.</p>
<p>For instance, with kids, you tube and parents fighting &#8211; you have to go back to the origins &#8211; like the light switch, where there were only two bits! The light is either on or off, and see how kids manipulated that to their advantage, and controlled the environment in which adults were trying to occupy.</p>
<p>This is what I mean about the adobe acrobat platform too &#8211; sure it Professor Iansiti dealt with the ecological network effects employed by MBAs at adobe to create the franchise as it were.</p>
<p>It is a way of looking at business, similar to the ideas in Mark Buchanan&#8217;s book, on Small Worlds and the ground breaking theory of networks.</p>
<p>PDF has been a fantastic success as a business strategy &#8211; a role model even.</p>
<p>But the &#8216;translation&#8217; from physical book to digital book isn&#8217;t wonderful imo. The origin of the PDF was the book. But the PDF embodies very little of the original essence of that older platform I feel.</p>
<p>Ted Nelson talks about this, in the copy and paste translation of software engineers, which was a very poor imitation of what he remembers while working for a newspaper in NYC.</p>
<p>Negroponte discusses technology in a similar way in his book &#8216;Being Digital&#8217;. About the former lives of tools we find in the digital environment &#8211; and how sucessfully or poorly in some cases, their translation has been.</p>
<p>I would greatly anticipate Danah Boyd writing something along those lines. Where we see examples in her writing of other progressions in technology, to allow us to get a handle on the same notion of progression in web applications.</p>
<p>Or this sense of history, the layers of archaeology that Christine Finn has explored in her work. Where she talks about the compression of time, into momentary flickers which appear for a second and then seem to disappear again, almost as if they never existed.</p>
<p>That is the nature of digital platforms sometimes &#8211; they don&#8217;t have a life inherent in themselves &#8211; but they only live afterwards as ghostly shadows and flickers on the cave walls, as echos in later code.</p>
<p>&#8220;If changes in one small area are too quickly communicated across a system as a whole, they would tend to be dampened out. New and dissenting ideas need time to accumulate evidence and argument.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ilya Prigogine, winner of a nobel prize for chemistry.</p>
<p>Boyd has mentioned this before no doubt, as in hacking on live servers &#8211; patching code until 4 in the morning &#8211; the Ruby, PHP phenomenon of SNS.</p>
<p>We have to find another way to respond to the coming and passing of various platforms. To deal with this &#8216;loss&#8217; of platforms.</p>
<p>I think that my piece about, about &#8216;How long does a platform really last&#8217;, offers at least a small philosophical route forward in our thinking about it. The notion that even though a company dies, or a product is no more, a part of it still stays alive &#8211; somewhat like Dawkins and Susan Blackmore&#8217;s idea of the meme.</p>
<p>But we have to get past this notion of the god given right of American software companies to exist and last for ever. When history proves that not to be the case. We have to find a different way to deal with their passing &#8211; rather than the usual &#8216;black and white&#8217; way we deal with the issue. The company is either alive or dead.</p>
<p>I guess the network and ecological analogies do help there also, and give us another route to develop our thinking. We can no longer see this huge brand names purely in isolation, but to be alive they have to form a large organism with only creatures and environments.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian O' Hanlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian O' Hanlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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Link here to portable document format platform discussion:


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/read_post.jsp?id=120072690&amp;forumid=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Adobe PDF discussion&lt;/a&gt;


B.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link here to portable document format platform discussion:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/read_post.jsp?id=120072690&#038;forumid=1" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.aceshardware.com/forums/read_post.jsp?id=120072690_038_forumid=1&amp;referer=');">Adobe PDF discussion</a></p>
<p>B.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian O' Hanlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian O' Hanlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend showed me Dylan Moran&#039;s stand up comedy DVD last night. Make sure you check it out some time. This is a description I got from wikipedia:


A live DVD of the Monster II tour, filmed May 28th at Dublin&#039;s Vicar Street, is on general release. This is Moran&#039;s first live stand-up DVD.


But, when you talk about kids &#039;power&#039; over their parents and messiness - I think you might enjoy checking out Dylan Moran&#039;s description of the parent - kids relation dynamic. Moran talks about the kids control over the light switch - but what he says, could be expanded onto camcorders and you tube for sure.


Regards all,


Brian.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend showed me Dylan Moran&#8217;s stand up comedy DVD last night. Make sure you check it out some time. This is a description I got from wikipedia:</p>
<p>A live DVD of the Monster II tour, filmed May 28th at Dublin&#8217;s Vicar Street, is on general release. This is Moran&#8217;s first live stand-up DVD.</p>
<p>But, when you talk about kids &#8216;power&#8217; over their parents and messiness &#8211; I think you might enjoy checking out Dylan Moran&#8217;s description of the parent &#8211; kids relation dynamic. Moran talks about the kids control over the light switch &#8211; but what he says, could be expanded onto camcorders and you tube for sure.</p>
<p>Regards all,</p>
<p>Brian.</p>
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