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		<title>By: myspace</title>
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		<dc:creator>myspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 02:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paprents shouldn&#039;t assume that myspace is always the problem parents get scared because they hear myspace on the news well there are millions of members and the % is not very big. Young users should never add people they don&#039;t know just there friends.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paprents shouldn&#8217;t assume that myspace is always the problem parents get scared because they hear myspace on the news well there are millions of members and the % is not very big. Young users should never add people they don&#8217;t know just there friends.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a myspace. i do not add people i know. i dont even add people i sort of know.. i have no clue why there is this whole anti myspace
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a myspace. i do not add people i know. i dont even add people i sort of know.. i have no clue why there is this whole anti myspace</p>
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		<title>By: Desirae</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2006/03/01/the_disappearan.html/comment-page-1#comment-12858</link>
		<dc:creator>Desirae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MySpace is fine...if you just talk to your friends that you know only! If you put up fake info abi=out yourself like being (Bi) that&#039;s your problem, but MySpace is Fine to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MySpace is fine&#8230;if you just talk to your friends that you know only! If you put up fake info abi=out yourself like being (Bi) that&#8217;s your problem, but MySpace is Fine to me.</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2006/03/01/the_disappearan.html/comment-page-1#comment-12857</link>
		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RD - here&#039;s a question for you: if people use a site to date, even if that&#039;s not the designer&#039;s intention, should the designers be forced to treat it as a dating site and put the kinds of safety restrictions you&#039;ve suggested?  The reason why dating sites have ID checks is that you have to pay to participate.  It is a closed membership, private space and people pay dues to be there.
The vast majority of people don&#039;t use MySpace to get dates, although some certainly do.  Of course, the thing about dating is that people will use any medium to attract dates if that&#039;s what they&#039;re looking for.


Try seeing MySpace as a digital public and imagine if you had to give an ID to go to a park because some people happen to meet in parks to go out on dates.  Of course, i worry that this is the direction our government is going in in physical spaces as well - random identity checks and national IDs.  But is this something that we should promote?  Something we should set as a precedent digitally?


The folks at MySpace do look at the 1.7M photos that are uploaded daily, but they&#039;re scanning for porn and illegal material, not trying to check for ages.  They are dealing with the same kinds of illegal behavior that cops stop in the park.


What is the value for asking for identification?  What are the costs?  I would argue that it puts an undue burden on people who simply want to go outside and hang out.  Your suggestion also puts a huge undue burden on minors who don&#039;t have IDs, on people from foreign countries (especially minors). I totally understand that it might help prevent teens, but is it really the best way?  Does it not limit more than it protects?


Do structural restrictions really help people learn to grow up and make wise decisions?  Or does it just make the problem appear to go away?  21+ IDs for clubs and alcohol purchasing have certainly not stopped alcohol consumption by minors.  I would argue that it has made it worse.


I worry about the ways in which we try to restrict freedom online out of our good efforts to prevent horrors.  Unfortunately, bad things will happen.  But the actual magnitude is very small.  Do we want to lose more freedoms just for the hopes that we might prevent a fraction of those bad situations?  Or can we use education to build trust and social responsibility back into our society so that people can be free and safe?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RD &#8211; here&#8217;s a question for you: if people use a site to date, even if that&#8217;s not the designer&#8217;s intention, should the designers be forced to treat it as a dating site and put the kinds of safety restrictions you&#8217;ve suggested?  The reason why dating sites have ID checks is that you have to pay to participate.  It is a closed membership, private space and people pay dues to be there.<br />
The vast majority of people don&#8217;t use MySpace to get dates, although some certainly do.  Of course, the thing about dating is that people will use any medium to attract dates if that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re looking for.</p>
<p>Try seeing MySpace as a digital public and imagine if you had to give an ID to go to a park because some people happen to meet in parks to go out on dates.  Of course, i worry that this is the direction our government is going in in physical spaces as well &#8211; random identity checks and national IDs.  But is this something that we should promote?  Something we should set as a precedent digitally?</p>
<p>The folks at MySpace do look at the 1.7M photos that are uploaded daily, but they&#8217;re scanning for porn and illegal material, not trying to check for ages.  They are dealing with the same kinds of illegal behavior that cops stop in the park.</p>
<p>What is the value for asking for identification?  What are the costs?  I would argue that it puts an undue burden on people who simply want to go outside and hang out.  Your suggestion also puts a huge undue burden on minors who don&#8217;t have IDs, on people from foreign countries (especially minors). I totally understand that it might help prevent teens, but is it really the best way?  Does it not limit more than it protects?</p>
<p>Do structural restrictions really help people learn to grow up and make wise decisions?  Or does it just make the problem appear to go away?  21+ IDs for clubs and alcohol purchasing have certainly not stopped alcohol consumption by minors.  I would argue that it has made it worse.</p>
<p>I worry about the ways in which we try to restrict freedom online out of our good efforts to prevent horrors.  Unfortunately, bad things will happen.  But the actual magnitude is very small.  Do we want to lose more freedoms just for the hopes that we might prevent a fraction of those bad situations?  Or can we use education to build trust and social responsibility back into our society so that people can be free and safe?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Kjerulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Kjerulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media gets it wrong. Surprise.


Recently I&#039;ve had a chance to follow some stories in the media, where I had inside information, as in I KNOW what&#039;s going on.


In every single case, the media version has differed significantly from what I know to be true. Not just on the details, but on the basic issues.


My sad and troubling and entirely unsurprising conclusion: The news media are no longer trustworthy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media gets it wrong. Surprise.</p>
<p>Recently I&#8217;ve had a chance to follow some stories in the media, where I had inside information, as in I KNOW what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>In every single case, the media version has differed significantly from what I know to be true. Not just on the details, but on the basic issues.</p>
<p>My sad and troubling and entirely unsurprising conclusion: The news media are no longer trustworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: renaissance chambara</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2006/03/01/the_disappearan.html/comment-page-1#comment-12855</link>
		<dc:creator>renaissance chambara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not surprised that the news media did not cover the responsible role that MySpace played in this. The kids being safe and a dot.com being responsible wouldn&#039;t generate ratings, sell papers or make a great HBO adaptation.


If you substituted the words MySpace for Elvis Presley or rock n roll the story could have been written 50 years ago. Whilst times change, the publics taste in news and their fear of new cultural phenomena doesn&#039;t. MySpace is in a classic part of media/sub-cultural adoption curve that video games, rock music, the beat poets, acid house (in the UK at least) and television have all been through.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not surprised that the news media did not cover the responsible role that MySpace played in this. The kids being safe and a dot.com being responsible wouldn&#8217;t generate ratings, sell papers or make a great HBO adaptation.</p>
<p>If you substituted the words MySpace for Elvis Presley or rock n roll the story could have been written 50 years ago. Whilst times change, the publics taste in news and their fear of new cultural phenomena doesn&#8217;t. MySpace is in a classic part of media/sub-cultural adoption curve that video games, rock music, the beat poets, acid house (in the UK at least) and television have all been through.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myspace, I believe, started out like many things, with good intentions.  At first it was the big new thing to do and everyone for one reason or another had a certain level of curiosity about it, whether they would openly admit it or not.  Myspace has made it&#039;s big splash and has apparently left some serious watermarks behind to which I believe a good amount of caution should be applied to.
Age limit? Should there be one for young people who want myspace? Perhaps. But do i think that odd things happening would still take place? Yes i do.
I think knowing what&#039;s going in a child&#039;s life is the first step to understanding what&#039;s going on for them personally.  Do i believe that myspace served as those two girls&#039; ultimate demise? Maybe yes and yet maybe no.  I have a hard time believing that the same parents who raised these two young ladies from the time of conception until their adolescent years, had no clue that their daughters were spending extra time on the computer.  I am not placing the blame entirely on the parents at all.  But to some extent, one has to wonder, why do parents choose to get involved seriously only after something detrimental happens?
I pray for both of these girls&#039; safety. I hope that everything works out in the end, i really do.  I really wish that we lived in a world where things like this didn&#039;t happen. But we do, and therefore I hope that we all are endowed with the gift of wisdom.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myspace, I believe, started out like many things, with good intentions.  At first it was the big new thing to do and everyone for one reason or another had a certain level of curiosity about it, whether they would openly admit it or not.  Myspace has made it&#8217;s big splash and has apparently left some serious watermarks behind to which I believe a good amount of caution should be applied to.<br />
Age limit? Should there be one for young people who want myspace? Perhaps. But do i think that odd things happening would still take place? Yes i do.<br />
I think knowing what&#8217;s going in a child&#8217;s life is the first step to understanding what&#8217;s going on for them personally.  Do i believe that myspace served as those two girls&#8217; ultimate demise? Maybe yes and yet maybe no.  I have a hard time believing that the same parents who raised these two young ladies from the time of conception until their adolescent years, had no clue that their daughters were spending extra time on the computer.  I am not placing the blame entirely on the parents at all.  But to some extent, one has to wonder, why do parents choose to get involved seriously only after something detrimental happens?<br />
I pray for both of these girls&#8217; safety. I hope that everything works out in the end, i really do.  I really wish that we lived in a world where things like this didn&#8217;t happen. But we do, and therefore I hope that we all are endowed with the gift of wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: chip navarro</title>
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		<dc:creator>chip navarro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>been there done that,,,,my space and clone, tagworld, is filled with naked lesbians, some 17y.o.,,w/older women be-friending them through &#039;friend&#039; links. trolling has taken on a whole new meaning..and the guys?? just got out or are about to go in,,prison, that is........
mom&#039;s better beware,,we all should...thnx
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>been there done that,,,,my space and clone, tagworld, is filled with naked lesbians, some 17y.o.,,w/older women be-friending them through &#8216;friend&#8217; links. trolling has taken on a whole new meaning..and the guys?? just got out or are about to go in,,prison, that is&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
mom&#8217;s better beware,,we all should&#8230;thnx</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2006/03/01/the_disappearan.html/comment-page-1#comment-12852</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the comments &#039;blaming&#039; MySpace.com are not completely off base.  MySpace is not the problem as a whole at all, but they are currently not doing enough to be part of the solution.  My wife and I met on the internet over nine years ago before there were any famous dating sites or networking sites or almost anything like that so I know there are great people to meet and talk to and sometimes get involved with.


However, last summer our (then) 15 year old daughter &#039;chatted&#039; with a 24 year old man who she ended up sneaking out of the house to sleep with on two occasions.  He may face statutory rape charges and will at least have the arrest on his record for anyone to find in a background search for the next 7 years.


My problem with MySpace is it still looks as though they are not doing their &#039;due diligence&#039; with regard to protecting younger users.  They say 14 and 15 year olds profiles are private and accessible only by invitation.  Kids invite people all the time and our daughter simply lied that she was 16 to get a public profile.  I&#039;ve seen multitudes of young-looking profiles with ridiculous ages such as 101 or 88 and such to get around the private restriction.


Which brings up the question of why _all_ profiles under 18 are not private and heavily restricted?  The age of consent in several states is still 18 and that is also the age at which we expect fully &#039;adult&#039; behavior from our youth.


Some dating sites I&#039;ve seen offer the option of sending in a copy of a state-issued ID to become &quot;verified&quot; - people know that&#039;s you and you&#039;re the age you claim and you haven&#039;t just culled somebody else&#039;s pic off the internet.  MySpace doesn&#039;t have to be the fake ID police, but they&#039;d be doing more than just taking millions of teenagers&#039; word for it!  The utilization of verified, but uncharged credit cards that many adult sites use seems to be reasonably effective also.


But probably the biggest oversight MySpace is making is not screening uploaded photos.  Again the examples of dating sites shows that no one dies of delayed gratification from having to wait maybe 48 hours to have uploaded pictures checked for &quot;acceptable&quot; content.  And some of these dating sites allow photos of sex acts so you can imagine their definition of &#039;_un_acceptable&#039;!


Surfing just a few clicks from my daughter&#039;s MySpace profile I run into breasts galore and genitalia of both sexes in various states of arousal as well as acts of penetration etc, all in violation of their policies.  MySpace takes those down when notified but really, who out there is going to surf past an attractive erotic picture and say to themselves &quot;that&#039;s gotta go!&quot;?


MySpace will remove it, but why can it get there in the first place?!  It even occured to me that MySpace is flirting with charges of child porn because ultimately it is _their_ responsibility for the content on their website!  That may not bite them in the rear until some prosecutor looking to make a name for themselves goes after them.  MySpace would almost certainly win against such charges, but the old saying &quot;there is no such thing as bad publicity&quot; is not always true.


Unfortunately, like many businesses, they seem to be taking the path of least expenditure by not hiring the extra staff and spending the money on security technology solutions despite HUGE growth and profits.  I hope they wise up before some tragedy occurs that really _CAN_ be placed largely at their doorstep.


Don&#039;t get me wrong, I am completely against any form of internet censorship for those who can prove they are 18, but younger &#039;surfers&#039; are not being protected from their own naivete and lack of experience, sometimes to their detriment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the comments &#8216;blaming&#8217; MySpace.com are not completely off base.  MySpace is not the problem as a whole at all, but they are currently not doing enough to be part of the solution.  My wife and I met on the internet over nine years ago before there were any famous dating sites or networking sites or almost anything like that so I know there are great people to meet and talk to and sometimes get involved with.</p>
<p>However, last summer our (then) 15 year old daughter &#8216;chatted&#8217; with a 24 year old man who she ended up sneaking out of the house to sleep with on two occasions.  He may face statutory rape charges and will at least have the arrest on his record for anyone to find in a background search for the next 7 years.</p>
<p>My problem with MySpace is it still looks as though they are not doing their &#8216;due diligence&#8217; with regard to protecting younger users.  They say 14 and 15 year olds profiles are private and accessible only by invitation.  Kids invite people all the time and our daughter simply lied that she was 16 to get a public profile.  I&#8217;ve seen multitudes of young-looking profiles with ridiculous ages such as 101 or 88 and such to get around the private restriction.</p>
<p>Which brings up the question of why _all_ profiles under 18 are not private and heavily restricted?  The age of consent in several states is still 18 and that is also the age at which we expect fully &#8216;adult&#8217; behavior from our youth.</p>
<p>Some dating sites I&#8217;ve seen offer the option of sending in a copy of a state-issued ID to become &#8220;verified&#8221; &#8211; people know that&#8217;s you and you&#8217;re the age you claim and you haven&#8217;t just culled somebody else&#8217;s pic off the internet.  MySpace doesn&#8217;t have to be the fake ID police, but they&#8217;d be doing more than just taking millions of teenagers&#8217; word for it!  The utilization of verified, but uncharged credit cards that many adult sites use seems to be reasonably effective also.</p>
<p>But probably the biggest oversight MySpace is making is not screening uploaded photos.  Again the examples of dating sites shows that no one dies of delayed gratification from having to wait maybe 48 hours to have uploaded pictures checked for &#8220;acceptable&#8221; content.  And some of these dating sites allow photos of sex acts so you can imagine their definition of &#8216;_un_acceptable&#8217;!</p>
<p>Surfing just a few clicks from my daughter&#8217;s MySpace profile I run into breasts galore and genitalia of both sexes in various states of arousal as well as acts of penetration etc, all in violation of their policies.  MySpace takes those down when notified but really, who out there is going to surf past an attractive erotic picture and say to themselves &#8220;that&#8217;s gotta go!&#8221;?</p>
<p>MySpace will remove it, but why can it get there in the first place?!  It even occured to me that MySpace is flirting with charges of child porn because ultimately it is _their_ responsibility for the content on their website!  That may not bite them in the rear until some prosecutor looking to make a name for themselves goes after them.  MySpace would almost certainly win against such charges, but the old saying &#8220;there is no such thing as bad publicity&#8221; is not always true.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, like many businesses, they seem to be taking the path of least expenditure by not hiring the extra staff and spending the money on security technology solutions despite HUGE growth and profits.  I hope they wise up before some tragedy occurs that really _CAN_ be placed largely at their doorstep.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I am completely against any form of internet censorship for those who can prove they are 18, but younger &#8216;surfers&#8217; are not being protected from their own naivete and lack of experience, sometimes to their detriment.</p>
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		<title>By: c h a n d r a s u t r a</title>
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		<dc:creator>c h a n d r a s u t r a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 13:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Chandrasutra spring break picks!&lt;/strong&gt;

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<p>danah boyd monitors the media misinformation around youth social spaces and underscores the need for a more nuanced response -</p>
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