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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/11/25/the_demons.html/comment-page-1#comment-12164</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading and enjoying your page for several months now.  I love this post for many reasons not the least of which is that my end of semester paper is on this subject.
Thank you so much for this post!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading and enjoying your page for several months now.  I love this post for many reasons not the least of which is that my end of semester paper is on this subject.<br />
Thank you so much for this post!</p>
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		<title>By: nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is an inherent component of &quot;workoholism&quot; in academe due to the blurred (non existent?) boundaries between &quot;work&quot; and &quot;not work.&quot; To some, this in itself is workaholism. When is an academic not working? Very rarely. ie Sunday morning finds me reading the New York Times. I mention an article during lecture tuesday afternoon. Was I working Sunday morning?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is an inherent component of &#8220;workoholism&#8221; in academe due to the blurred (non existent?) boundaries between &#8220;work&#8221; and &#8220;not work.&#8221; To some, this in itself is workaholism. When is an academic not working? Very rarely. ie Sunday morning finds me reading the New York Times. I mention an article during lecture tuesday afternoon. Was I working Sunday morning?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a workalcoholic academic makes for a unstable identity.  You start to worry about things that don&#039;t really matter much.   Worse, you might begin to take yourself (as opposed to your interests)seriously.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a workalcoholic academic makes for a unstable identity.  You start to worry about things that don&#8217;t really matter much.   Worse, you might begin to take yourself (as opposed to your interests)seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: James Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know in my case if it is demons, as much as a variation of apophenia(no pun intended).  While I am quite bored and content to work my job as a (in)security guard, I enjoy it better when I can read, watch, and listen to the news and then see what I can get out of it.  A different way of looking at it, thoughts from another angle, etc.  Some people might call that demons, since I can draw out how current events are connected, but couldn&#039;t tell you if Brad and Jen are still married.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know in my case if it is demons, as much as a variation of apophenia(no pun intended).  While I am quite bored and content to work my job as a (in)security guard, I enjoy it better when I can read, watch, and listen to the news and then see what I can get out of it.  A different way of looking at it, thoughts from another angle, etc.  Some people might call that demons, since I can draw out how current events are connected, but couldn&#8217;t tell you if Brad and Jen are still married.</p>
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		<title>By: randomtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/11/25/the_demons.html/comment-page-1#comment-12160</link>
		<dc:creator>randomtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s only work if there&#039;s someplace else you&#039;d rather be.&quot;


- George Halas as quoted by Bernie Siegel
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s only work if there&#8217;s someplace else you&#8217;d rather be.&#8221;</p>
<p>- George Halas as quoted by Bernie Siegel</p>
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		<title>By: David Molnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Molnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the &quot;workaholic academic&quot; phenomenon is that in principle, we are doing exactly the work we love to do. Why else would we stick it out through graduate school? Further, to a degree rivaled only by entrepreneurs and the self-employed, we can set our own hours and our own agenda. This makes it harder to just leave work &quot;at the door&quot; - first, it&#039;s not always &quot;work,&quot; and second, there is no &quot;door.&quot;


Mor Harchol-Balter has an essay on applying to grad schools and the grad school experience that&#039;s worth reading in this context.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~harchol/gradschooltalk.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~harchol/gradschooltalk.pdf&lt;/a&gt;


Of course, in practice the work we love to do doesn&#039;t quite always end up that way. It&#039;s widely remarked how filling out grant applications, for example, is one of the worst parts of a professional academic&#039;s job. Then there&#039;s the tenure crunch and the up-or-out dynamic of academic hiring (assuming you&#039;re fortunate enough to land a tenure-track job at all). These actually aren&#039;t the parts I&#039;m seriously worried about. Every job has its ugly and tedious parts, and while tenure is scary as hell, you can get fired from other jobs too. Of course, I&#039;m going through my fair share of this kind of stuff, but it seems manageable.


I start becoming alarmed when I figure that I&#039;ve stopped wondering about the questions that drew me to my field and start worrying about the professional aspects. When it&#039;s no longer &quot;gee that&#039;s cool&quot; but &quot;what gets me a paper in the right conference,&quot; that&#039;s a problem. When I feel in danger of losing my love for the work I do, that&#039;s when I figure I need to do something, anything, even if I don&#039;t always know what. Fortunately for me, this hasn&#039;t been so bad recently...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the &#8220;workaholic academic&#8221; phenomenon is that in principle, we are doing exactly the work we love to do. Why else would we stick it out through graduate school? Further, to a degree rivaled only by entrepreneurs and the self-employed, we can set our own hours and our own agenda. This makes it harder to just leave work &#8220;at the door&#8221; &#8211; first, it&#8217;s not always &#8220;work,&#8221; and second, there is no &#8220;door.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mor Harchol-Balter has an essay on applying to grad schools and the grad school experience that&#8217;s worth reading in this context.<br />
<a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~harchol/gradschooltalk.pdf" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.cs.cmu.edu/_harchol/gradschooltalk.pdf?referer=');">http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~harchol/gradschooltalk.pdf</a></p>
<p>Of course, in practice the work we love to do doesn&#8217;t quite always end up that way. It&#8217;s widely remarked how filling out grant applications, for example, is one of the worst parts of a professional academic&#8217;s job. Then there&#8217;s the tenure crunch and the up-or-out dynamic of academic hiring (assuming you&#8217;re fortunate enough to land a tenure-track job at all). These actually aren&#8217;t the parts I&#8217;m seriously worried about. Every job has its ugly and tedious parts, and while tenure is scary as hell, you can get fired from other jobs too. Of course, I&#8217;m going through my fair share of this kind of stuff, but it seems manageable.</p>
<p>I start becoming alarmed when I figure that I&#8217;ve stopped wondering about the questions that drew me to my field and start worrying about the professional aspects. When it&#8217;s no longer &#8220;gee that&#8217;s cool&#8221; but &#8220;what gets me a paper in the right conference,&#8221; that&#8217;s a problem. When I feel in danger of losing my love for the work I do, that&#8217;s when I figure I need to do something, anything, even if I don&#8217;t always know what. Fortunately for me, this hasn&#8217;t been so bad recently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: orange.</title>
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		<dc:creator>orange.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He who fights against monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster in the process. And when you stare persistently into an abyss, the abyss also stares into you.&quot;


This is what Nils Bohr would call a &lt;i&gt;great truth&lt;/i&gt;. Beautiful quote, didn&#039;t know it was Nietzsche.


&quot;I started wondering what it means to be a workaholic academic.&quot;


Now you made me ask myself, what does it mean to be called a workaholic. What are the characteristics of a workoholic academic?
















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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He who fights against monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster in the process. And when you stare persistently into an abyss, the abyss also stares into you.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what Nils Bohr would call a <i>great truth</i>. Beautiful quote, didn&#8217;t know it was Nietzsche.</p>
<p>&#8220;I started wondering what it means to be a workaholic academic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now you made me ask myself, what does it mean to be called a workaholic. What are the characteristics of a workoholic academic?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Tozier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Tozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, how well do students and professors do, who do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; work obsessively -- who maintain a life outside their specialty, who do not express the pressure of time and the inordinate demands placed on them at every turn? How well would a student do, who didn&#039;t make it look like she was working hard? How long would a tenure-track academic last, who didn&#039;t teach three classes, who published papers &lt;i&gt;too quickly&lt;/i&gt; and made her colleagues look bad?


How many Ph.D.-level graduate students are not depressed?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, how well do students and professors do, who do <i>not</i> work obsessively &#8212; who maintain a life outside their specialty, who do not express the pressure of time and the inordinate demands placed on them at every turn? How well would a student do, who didn&#8217;t make it look like she was working hard? How long would a tenure-track academic last, who didn&#8217;t teach three classes, who published papers <i>too quickly</i> and made her colleagues look bad?</p>
<p>How many Ph.D.-level graduate students are not depressed?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Third time in a week I&#039;ve thought of Nietzsche: &lt;i&gt;He who fights against monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster in the process. And when you stare persistently into an abyss, the abyss also stares into you.&lt;/i&gt;  Hmm.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Third time in a week I&#8217;ve thought of Nietzsche: <i>He who fights against monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster in the process. And when you stare persistently into an abyss, the abyss also stares into you.</i>  Hmm.</p>
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