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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are awesome! Thanks for these.  One of my curiosities is whether or not it is possible for people to exist in more than one stage at a time.  Also - does life stage really correlate strongly to age, or more to maturity level? To that point, we may be able to generalize successfully, but we may be able to be more specific by asking questions that get at relative maturity level / maturity life stage.  For instance, families are started considerably young in &quot;red&quot; states than they are in blue states.  This  might suggest that people move out of the identity stage quicker - and into the contribution stage earlier.  Perhaps there is something about young marriage that smacks of both stages.  I had  a post not too long ago about the age / maturity level distinction at &lt;a href=&quot;economixt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economixt.com/2008/12/a-segmentation-question/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.economixt.com/2008/12/a-segmentation-question/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;


Maybe people can create new identities when they are in the contribution stage - as in, what if somebody has a jarring life event like a divorce - and finds themselves re-defining who they are relative to their peer groups...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are awesome! Thanks for these.  One of my curiosities is whether or not it is possible for people to exist in more than one stage at a time.  Also &#8211; does life stage really correlate strongly to age, or more to maturity level? To that point, we may be able to generalize successfully, but we may be able to be more specific by asking questions that get at relative maturity level / maturity life stage.  For instance, families are started considerably young in &#8220;red&#8221; states than they are in blue states.  This  might suggest that people move out of the identity stage quicker &#8211; and into the contribution stage earlier.  Perhaps there is something about young marriage that smacks of both stages.  I had  a post not too long ago about the age / maturity level distinction at <a href="economixt" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.economixt.com/2008/12/a-segmentation-question/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.economixt.com/2008/12/a-segmentation-question/?referer=');">http://www.economixt.com/2008/12/a-segmentation-question/</a></p>
<p>Maybe people can create new identities when they are in the contribution stage &#8211; as in, what if somebody has a jarring life event like a divorce &#8211; and finds themselves re-defining who they are relative to their peer groups&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maxim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>danah - great insights! I would like to add something to your thoughts and suggest a great book...
First of all, from my point of view the life stages are more complicated than what you suggest. It is nice to generalize from the point of view of society (forming identity to fit into society; contributing to society; &#039;freeing&#039; yourself from society). At the same time, there are plenty other concerns that arise in everyone&#039;s life at different stages - close relationships (as opposed to generalized society), self-esteem (as a psychological strength indicator as opposed to a measure of &#039;fit&#039; in a society), awareness and mastery of own body, emotions and intellect. Some of those concerns arise simultaneously around the point of transition between life stages, and then we notice :-)
Since you are concerned with designing social software, you should probably be aware not only of the social stages, but of their underpinnings - why they occur, what exactly changes and how, etc. There is a GREAT book that explains transitions between life stages: Transitions by William Bridges (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073820904X/104-8958839-5144762?v=glance&amp;n=283155&amp;n=507846&amp;s=books&amp;v=glance).
There is also a &#039;stage&#039; you might have forgotten - transition between the stages. Transitions might take years, and have their own attributes and challenges. Things that worked in &#039;identity formation&#039; stage are not the same things that will work in &#039;society contributor&#039; stage and are not the same things that work in the middle. Transitions are kind of like going back to school between stages - and school experience is very different from being settled in comfortable life.
Good luck with dissertation - and thanks for speaking your mind in your wonderful blog!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>danah &#8211; great insights! I would like to add something to your thoughts and suggest a great book&#8230;<br />
First of all, from my point of view the life stages are more complicated than what you suggest. It is nice to generalize from the point of view of society (forming identity to fit into society; contributing to society; &#8216;freeing&#8217; yourself from society). At the same time, there are plenty other concerns that arise in everyone&#8217;s life at different stages &#8211; close relationships (as opposed to generalized society), self-esteem (as a psychological strength indicator as opposed to a measure of &#8216;fit&#8217; in a society), awareness and mastery of own body, emotions and intellect. Some of those concerns arise simultaneously around the point of transition between life stages, and then we notice <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Since you are concerned with designing social software, you should probably be aware not only of the social stages, but of their underpinnings &#8211; why they occur, what exactly changes and how, etc. There is a GREAT book that explains transitions between life stages: Transitions by William Bridges (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073820904X/104-8958839-5144762?v=glance&#038;n=283155&#038;n=507846&#038;s=books&#038;v=glance" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/gp/product/073820904X/104-8958839-5144762?v=glance_038_n=283155_038_n=507846_038_s=books_038_v=glance&amp;referer=');">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073820904X/104-8958839-5144762?v=glance&#038;n=283155&#038;n=507846&#038;s=books&#038;v=glance</a>).<br />
There is also a &#8216;stage&#8217; you might have forgotten &#8211; transition between the stages. Transitions might take years, and have their own attributes and challenges. Things that worked in &#8216;identity formation&#8217; stage are not the same things that will work in &#8216;society contributor&#8217; stage and are not the same things that work in the middle. Transitions are kind of like going back to school between stages &#8211; and school experience is very different from being settled in comfortable life.<br />
Good luck with dissertation &#8211; and thanks for speaking your mind in your wonderful blog!</p>
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		<title>By: soobrosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>soobrosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danah, can&#039;t wait to read your dissertation, I&#039;m basically interested in it providing practical context for electronic learning processes.


An other good example for identity formation space is the Swedish Lunarstorm - &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunarstorm.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunarstorm.&lt;/a&gt; And even Gladwell points out in The Tipping Point that during  the identity formation peering matters the most.


Talking of reflection and storytelling you should also consider the pro-am-ing that mostly will affect the elder - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.demos.co.uk/catalogue/proameconomy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.demos.co.uk/catalogue/proameconomy/&lt;/a&gt;


Talking about IMing I consider myself a geek, but the trend of the youngsters getting shy face-to-face worries a bit me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danah, can&#8217;t wait to read your dissertation, I&#8217;m basically interested in it providing practical context for electronic learning processes.</p>
<p>An other good example for identity formation space is the Swedish Lunarstorm &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunarstorm." rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunarstorm.?referer=');">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunarstorm.</a> And even Gladwell points out in The Tipping Point that during  the identity formation peering matters the most.</p>
<p>Talking of reflection and storytelling you should also consider the pro-am-ing that mostly will affect the elder &#8211; <a href="http://www.demos.co.uk/catalogue/proameconomy/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.demos.co.uk/catalogue/proameconomy/?referer=');">http://www.demos.co.uk/catalogue/proameconomy/</a></p>
<p>Talking about IMing I consider myself a geek, but the trend of the youngsters getting shy face-to-face worries a bit me.</p>
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		<title>By: Many-to-Many</title>
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		<dc:creator>Many-to-Many</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;round-up on MySpace and culture of fear&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about how anti-MySpace propaganda has been rooted in the culture of fear. Given that youth play a critical, but different, role in social software, i suspect that folks might be interested in how MySpace is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>round-up on MySpace and culture of fear</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about how anti-MySpace propaganda has been rooted in the culture of fear. Given that youth play a critical, but different, role in social software, i suspect that folks might be interested in how MySpace is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abject Learning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abject Learning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Free Space&lt;/strong&gt;

Martha Burtis points to this welcome and heartfelt plea from Danah Boyd &quot;capturing why it is that we need to allow space online for young people - and why we need to step aside and let them fill those spaces&quot;: A few days ago, i started laying out how...</description>
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<p>Martha Burtis points to this welcome and heartfelt plea from Danah Boyd &#8220;capturing why it is that we need to allow space online for young people &#8211; and why we need to step aside and let them fill those spaces&#8221;: A few days ago, i started laying out how&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/30/designing_for_l.html/comment-page-1#comment-11999</link>
		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy - i think you&#039;ll find that some people are more bleeding edge than others.  I definitely grew up online but most of the people my age didn&#039;t so you can feel the division.  Of course, i&#039;m started to see teens who relate to technology in a far more nuanced way than i ever did so things are changing and i&#039;m now behind the curve.


Kris - i actually don&#039;t know whether it would relate to Maslow&#039;s hierarchy or how... but then again, i&#039;m not a psychologist... i&#039;m more interested in practices than the personal psychological ones so i don&#039;t know how it works as fulfillment so much as how it plays out in practice.


Maria - there&#039;s definitely some stuff happening with seniors but not that much considering how large of a population they are.  I totally agree that they vary immensely by culture - could you tell me more about the practices and patterns you see in the Chinese-American culture?


Matt - that&#039;s *insane* :(


Cheryl - the one place where i see older folks meeting people online is in a dating context.  Match.com has some amazing stories about 70+ members - people that don&#039;t live in communities of seniors but want to engage with new peers.  It&#039;s that same problematic situation - do you go to a bar to meet people?  Ugg.  Anyhow, i think it would be interesting to understand when and where seniors want to meet new people and when they don&#039;t.  (It&#039;s also important to point out that my description isn&#039;t just about meeting/not meeting people - there are tons of folks who don&#039;t want to meet people online of all ages... it&#039;s a matter of how it plays into their cultural practices.)


Lilly - thanks!!  And i&#039;m working on it.  ::gulp::


Guy - great link!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy &#8211; i think you&#8217;ll find that some people are more bleeding edge than others.  I definitely grew up online but most of the people my age didn&#8217;t so you can feel the division.  Of course, i&#8217;m started to see teens who relate to technology in a far more nuanced way than i ever did so things are changing and i&#8217;m now behind the curve.</p>
<p>Kris &#8211; i actually don&#8217;t know whether it would relate to Maslow&#8217;s hierarchy or how&#8230; but then again, i&#8217;m not a psychologist&#8230; i&#8217;m more interested in practices than the personal psychological ones so i don&#8217;t know how it works as fulfillment so much as how it plays out in practice.</p>
<p>Maria &#8211; there&#8217;s definitely some stuff happening with seniors but not that much considering how large of a population they are.  I totally agree that they vary immensely by culture &#8211; could you tell me more about the practices and patterns you see in the Chinese-American culture?</p>
<p>Matt &#8211; that&#8217;s *insane* <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheryl &#8211; the one place where i see older folks meeting people online is in a dating context.  Match.com has some amazing stories about 70+ members &#8211; people that don&#8217;t live in communities of seniors but want to engage with new peers.  It&#8217;s that same problematic situation &#8211; do you go to a bar to meet people?  Ugg.  Anyhow, i think it would be interesting to understand when and where seniors want to meet new people and when they don&#8217;t.  (It&#8217;s also important to point out that my description isn&#8217;t just about meeting/not meeting people &#8211; there are tons of folks who don&#8217;t want to meet people online of all ages&#8230; it&#8217;s a matter of how it plays into their cultural practices.)</p>
<p>Lilly &#8211; thanks!!  And i&#8217;m working on it.  ::gulp::</p>
<p>Guy &#8211; great link!</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thought-provoking article linked below from the Wall Street Journal came to my attention shortly after I read this posting of yours.  Identity formation issues as a source of radical Islam.....


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;


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We profoundly misunderstand contemporary Islamist ideology when we see it as an assertion of traditional Muslim values or culture. In a traditional Muslim country, your religious identity is not a matter of choice; you receive it, along with your social status, customs and habits, even your future marriage partner, from your social environment. In such a society there is no confusion as to who you are, since your identity is given to you and sanctioned by all of the society&#039;s institutions, from the family to the mosque to the state.


The same is not true for a Muslim who lives as an immigrant in a suburb of Amsterdam or Paris. All of a sudden, your identity is up for grabs; you have seemingly infinite choices in deciding how far you want to try to integrate into the surrounding, non-Muslim society. In his book &quot;Globalized Islam&quot; (2004), the French scholar Olivier Roy argues persuasively that contemporary radicalism is precisely the product of the &quot;deterritorialization&quot; of Islam, which strips Muslim identity of all of the social supports it receives in a traditional Muslim society.


The identity problem is particularly severe for second- and third-generation children of immigrants. They grow up outside the traditional culture of their parents, but unlike most newcomers to the United States, few feel truly accepted by the surrounding society.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought-provoking article linked below from the Wall Street Journal came to my attention shortly after I read this posting of yours.  Identity formation issues as a source of radical Islam&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491&amp;referer=');"></a><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491&amp;referer=');">http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007491</a></p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
We profoundly misunderstand contemporary Islamist ideology when we see it as an assertion of traditional Muslim values or culture. In a traditional Muslim country, your religious identity is not a matter of choice; you receive it, along with your social status, customs and habits, even your future marriage partner, from your social environment. In such a society there is no confusion as to who you are, since your identity is given to you and sanctioned by all of the society&#8217;s institutions, from the family to the mosque to the state.</p>
<p>The same is not true for a Muslim who lives as an immigrant in a suburb of Amsterdam or Paris. All of a sudden, your identity is up for grabs; you have seemingly infinite choices in deciding how far you want to try to integrate into the surrounding, non-Muslim society. In his book &#8220;Globalized Islam&#8221; (2004), the French scholar Olivier Roy argues persuasively that contemporary radicalism is precisely the product of the &#8220;deterritorialization&#8221; of Islam, which strips Muslim identity of all of the social supports it receives in a traditional Muslim society.</p>
<p>The identity problem is particularly severe for second- and third-generation children of immigrants. They grow up outside the traditional culture of their parents, but unlike most newcomers to the United States, few feel truly accepted by the surrounding society.<br />
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		<title>By: Leon Cych</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Cych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating - I too am a father of a millenial - but I am approaching 50 - we podcast together for social bonding. My initial reasons for going online was him - when not teaching I was parenting so had little time for social contact with my peers in my late 30&#039;s having been teaching small people all day...Just wonder how personal life recorders and personal life aggregators will fit into the scheme of things here? Really really interesting stuff...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating &#8211; I too am a father of a millenial &#8211; but I am approaching 50 &#8211; we podcast together for social bonding. My initial reasons for going online was him &#8211; when not teaching I was parenting so had little time for social contact with my peers in my late 30&#8242;s having been teaching small people all day&#8230;Just wonder how personal life recorders and personal life aggregators will fit into the scheme of things here? Really really interesting stuff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this. I read this a few days ago and ended up returning to this framework while talking about product strategy with my good-ol&#039; favorite PM today. I wish you were still at Google so we could get the richer insight, but until then, hurry up and publish! :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this. I read this a few days ago and ended up returning to this framework while talking about product strategy with my good-ol&#8217; favorite PM today. I wish you were still at Google so we could get the richer insight, but until then, hurry up and publish! <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What i&#039;m trying to demarcate is what people are doing now (in America), not what they&#039;ve ever done.  I also think that people work without having the contributive mindset - i see that regularly.  They do what they&#039;ve always done but without the passion to actually contribute.  I also agree that there are other ways to be online at different stages, but the idea that everyone wants to do it the way that most mainstream adults are is foolish.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What i&#8217;m trying to demarcate is what people are doing now (in America), not what they&#8217;ve ever done.  I also think that people work without having the contributive mindset &#8211; i see that regularly.  They do what they&#8217;ve always done but without the passion to actually contribute.  I also agree that there are other ways to be online at different stages, but the idea that everyone wants to do it the way that most mainstream adults are is foolish.</p>
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