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		<title>By: Royalty Free Beats For One Dollar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royalty Free Beats For One Dollar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Royalty Free Beats For One Dollar


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		<title>By: Garnet Hertz</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/28/facebook_and_my.html/comment-page-1#comment-11984</link>
		<dc:creator>Garnet Hertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something strange that i&#039;ve recently found: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mydeathspace.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mydeathspace.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mydeathspace.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something strange that i&#8217;ve recently found: <a href="http://www.mydeathspace.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.mydeathspace.com?referer=');"></a><a href="http://www.mydeathspace.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.mydeathspace.com?referer=');">http://www.mydeathspace.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Allyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey hey hey how do u sign up
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw an awful crash just this morning on my way to work.  It&#039;s such a stupid death.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw an awful crash just this morning on my way to work.  It&#8217;s such a stupid death.</p>
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		<title>By: Myspace_Deaths</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/28/facebook_and_my.html/comment-page-1#comment-11981</link>
		<dc:creator>Myspace_Deaths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out &lt;a / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Myspace_Deaths on Livejournal!
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing these comments reminded me of the website &quot;Worldwide Cemetery&quot;. It was started in -95 and is still on-line at:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cemetery.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cemetery.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cemetery.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;


It includes both information about loved ones who have died, as well as letters to them, photos, ways of communicating with other mourners (by leaving virtual flowers).


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing these comments reminded me of the website &#8220;Worldwide Cemetery&#8221;. It was started in -95 and is still on-line at:<br />
<a href="http://www.cemetery.org/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.cemetery.org/?referer=');"></a><a href="http://www.cemetery.org/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.cemetery.org/?referer=');">http://www.cemetery.org/</a></p>
<p>It includes both information about loved ones who have died, as well as letters to them, photos, ways of communicating with other mourners (by leaving virtual flowers).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/28/facebook_and_my.html/comment-page-1#comment-11979</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very similar to issues we had with the NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt.  Anyone could make a panel and content was pretty much unrestricted.  We rarely had problems, but from time to time we had instances like:


- Once someone said they knew both the panel maker and the person memorialized and &quot;He would never want that piece of trash to make a quilt panel for him!&quot;


- Once a family got into a fight in front of me about trivia about the deceased.


- More than one person came up to me and said, &quot;Is there somewhere I can register my name so people will not make panels for me when I die?&quot;


And so on....


I also recall when a group of kids in my highschool died in a car wreck.  Most of the school went to the funerals - not because they knew them, but because it was an excuse to get out of school.


What we see here is a group of people, who have long running inside jokes, sharing them one last time with someone they care about.  They are holding their own on-line wake in a natural way for them.


And, oddly, there is often a great deal of internal respect in what appears, externally, as disrespect.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very similar to issues we had with the NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt.  Anyone could make a panel and content was pretty much unrestricted.  We rarely had problems, but from time to time we had instances like:</p>
<p>- Once someone said they knew both the panel maker and the person memorialized and &#8220;He would never want that piece of trash to make a quilt panel for him!&#8221;</p>
<p>- Once a family got into a fight in front of me about trivia about the deceased.</p>
<p>- More than one person came up to me and said, &#8220;Is there somewhere I can register my name so people will not make panels for me when I die?&#8221;</p>
<p>And so on&#8230;.</p>
<p>I also recall when a group of kids in my highschool died in a car wreck.  Most of the school went to the funerals &#8211; not because they knew them, but because it was an excuse to get out of school.</p>
<p>What we see here is a group of people, who have long running inside jokes, sharing them one last time with someone they care about.  They are holding their own on-line wake in a natural way for them.</p>
<p>And, oddly, there is often a great deal of internal respect in what appears, externally, as disrespect.</p>
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		<title>By: hedgehog</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/28/facebook_and_my.html/comment-page-1#comment-11978</link>
		<dc:creator>hedgehog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A particularly beautiful e-memorial is at Tribe.net on &lt;a href=&quot;http://marlaruzicka.tribe.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marla Ruzicka&#039;s page&lt;/a&gt;. Her friends have turned it into a living memorial, a great little scrapbook of extraordinarily moving testimonials and memories. And check out the August 6, 2005 item: someone posted a job listing for Marla&#039;s old job helping civilian victims of the American campaign in Iraq. So her memorial is being used to &lt;i&gt;replace her.&lt;/i&gt; Weird.


To respond to Danah&#039;s initial point, I don&#039;t see anything in there that appears nearly so informal and hip-youth-culture-ish as in the new Berkeley memorial, but we all have our own ways of remembering. I mean, some people might not appreciate graffiti memorials or airbrushed T-shirts, but they are pretty popular in Oakland and San Francisco.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A particularly beautiful e-memorial is at Tribe.net on <a href="http://marlaruzicka.tribe.net/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/marlaruzicka.tribe.net/?referer=');">Marla Ruzicka&#8217;s page</a>. Her friends have turned it into a living memorial, a great little scrapbook of extraordinarily moving testimonials and memories. And check out the August 6, 2005 item: someone posted a job listing for Marla&#8217;s old job helping civilian victims of the American campaign in Iraq. So her memorial is being used to <i>replace her.</i> Weird.</p>
<p>To respond to Danah&#8217;s initial point, I don&#8217;t see anything in there that appears nearly so informal and hip-youth-culture-ish as in the new Berkeley memorial, but we all have our own ways of remembering. I mean, some people might not appreciate graffiti memorials or airbrushed T-shirts, but they are pretty popular in Oakland and San Francisco.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did this in 1995 for my friend and mentor Martin Friedmann.  Martin was a freak genius skateboarding blur that left a huge impression on the MIT community and anyone who met him.  Even in &#039;95 he &quot;got&quot; the internet completely and did some amazing things (MBONE), before taking his own life.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://wall.www.media.mit.edu/Memorial/MemorialWall.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Memorial Wall&quot;&lt;/a&gt; (that I believe Judith Donath set up) was a powerful place to grieve and connect with others...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did this in 1995 for my friend and mentor Martin Friedmann.  Martin was a freak genius skateboarding blur that left a huge impression on the MIT community and anyone who met him.  Even in &#8217;95 he &#8220;got&#8221; the internet completely and did some amazing things (MBONE), before taking his own life.  The <a href="http://wall.www.media.mit.edu/Memorial/MemorialWall.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/wall.www.media.mit.edu/Memorial/MemorialWall.html?referer=');">&#8220;Memorial Wall&#8221;</a> (that I believe Judith Donath set up) was a powerful place to grieve and connect with others&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sc - i&#039;m sooo sorry to have upset you.  I am very much not trying to make a mockery of her.  I think it is amazing that her friends are remembering her in such a way.  What i find surprising is the structure and tone of the comments.  It&#039;s also important to note that some of her friends are really upset by the casual tone of those messages - they feel as though it is a rude way of remembering, similar to Julia&#039;s message above.


When i was in high school, one of my dearest friends died in a tragic accident.  When we held the funeral, everyone got up and told stories for over three hours, talking about how he contributed to our lives.  We remembered him through storytelling; it was one of the most powerful days of my life.  What is confusing to me is that we knew our audience was each other - we talked to each other about how amazing he was.  What i don&#039;t understand on Christine&#039;s message boards is that people don&#039;t seem to be writing to her.  A lot of digital memorials exist - on blogs, on Friendster, on Flickr.  The difference is that people are remembering in third person whereas people are writing in second person on Christine&#039;s pages.  I simply don&#039;t understand and it is surprising to me so i wanted to document it.


Julia - in response to your question - most companies keep profiles and blogs that contain memorial work.  They become the property of the estate.  Thus, if a family member sends in a copy of the death certificate, they are given control over the account.


I believe that the digital world is a great place to honor the dead, to remember them forever.  It is a persistent environment and it is so important to remember and so valuable for the living.  For example, take a look at Barlow&#039;s memory of &lt;a href=&quot;http://homes.eff.org/~barlow/cynthia.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cynthia&lt;/a&gt;.


Again, i&#039;m sorry sc - i&#039;m sorry for the pain you must be experiencing.  Please understand that this is not meant to be a mockery of your friend, but a question of what we are doing as a society to remember.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sc &#8211; i&#8217;m sooo sorry to have upset you.  I am very much not trying to make a mockery of her.  I think it is amazing that her friends are remembering her in such a way.  What i find surprising is the structure and tone of the comments.  It&#8217;s also important to note that some of her friends are really upset by the casual tone of those messages &#8211; they feel as though it is a rude way of remembering, similar to Julia&#8217;s message above.</p>
<p>When i was in high school, one of my dearest friends died in a tragic accident.  When we held the funeral, everyone got up and told stories for over three hours, talking about how he contributed to our lives.  We remembered him through storytelling; it was one of the most powerful days of my life.  What is confusing to me is that we knew our audience was each other &#8211; we talked to each other about how amazing he was.  What i don&#8217;t understand on Christine&#8217;s message boards is that people don&#8217;t seem to be writing to her.  A lot of digital memorials exist &#8211; on blogs, on Friendster, on Flickr.  The difference is that people are remembering in third person whereas people are writing in second person on Christine&#8217;s pages.  I simply don&#8217;t understand and it is surprising to me so i wanted to document it.</p>
<p>Julia &#8211; in response to your question &#8211; most companies keep profiles and blogs that contain memorial work.  They become the property of the estate.  Thus, if a family member sends in a copy of the death certificate, they are given control over the account.</p>
<p>I believe that the digital world is a great place to honor the dead, to remember them forever.  It is a persistent environment and it is so important to remember and so valuable for the living.  For example, take a look at Barlow&#8217;s memory of <a href="http://homes.eff.org/~barlow/cynthia.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/homes.eff.org/_barlow/cynthia.html?referer=');">Cynthia</a>.</p>
<p>Again, i&#8217;m sorry sc &#8211; i&#8217;m sorry for the pain you must be experiencing.  Please understand that this is not meant to be a mockery of your friend, but a question of what we are doing as a society to remember.</p>
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