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		<title>By: Crystal L. Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/18/you_cant_blog_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-11910</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal L. Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice.  I have even gotten demand letter from a local resort for my site WildernessClubSubdivision.com because they say I can&#039;t use their &quot;mark&quot; or their &quot;good name&quot;  All I was doing was reporting updates on the progress of the private golf resort and it was positive, WAS.  They are upset that I come up higher than they do in search engines so they want me to stop talking about them.  It should be an interesting legal battle. Keep bloggin folks, your doing great.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.  I have even gotten demand letter from a local resort for my site WildernessClubSubdivision.com because they say I can&#8217;t use their &#8220;mark&#8221; or their &#8220;good name&#8221;  All I was doing was reporting updates on the progress of the private golf resort and it was positive, WAS.  They are upset that I come up higher than they do in search engines so they want me to stop talking about them.  It should be an interesting legal battle. Keep bloggin folks, your doing great.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked with the press and journalism students on several occasions, and if I have learned anything, the cardinal rule of journalism is that you do not show people your story before you publish it, and everything said is free game. I can recall several occasions in the beginning of my interaction with journalist where I asked them not to print something and they did it anyway. Conversations with them later revealed this was SOP. It is disappointing that a journalist would assume such a dual standard for bloggers. As journalist they should know better. It strikes me as tad hypocritical.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked with the press and journalism students on several occasions, and if I have learned anything, the cardinal rule of journalism is that you do not show people your story before you publish it, and everything said is free game. I can recall several occasions in the beginning of my interaction with journalist where I asked them not to print something and they did it anyway. Conversations with them later revealed this was SOP. It is disappointing that a journalist would assume such a dual standard for bloggers. As journalist they should know better. It strikes me as tad hypocritical.</p>
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		<title>By: Nooo</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/18/you_cant_blog_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-11908</link>
		<dc:creator>Nooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s a matter of respect.&quot;
Jon, you&#039;re not from the gutemberg era but from the stalinian one, keep up the good work :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a matter of respect.&#8221;<br />
Jon, you&#8217;re not from the gutemberg era but from the stalinian one, keep up the good work <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TaraK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TaraK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant that if danah wants to give her side of the story on her blog, the reporter might learn something, and reflect that in their story. It is no different from conducting an interview with someone, and then going back to discuss some more. You get more context and material.


And there is a way you can do this without blowing someone&#039;s scoop (in some cases). For example: story is about the &quot;deep web&quot;. danah says a journalist interviewed her for the story, that they discussed various aspects of the deep web, most of which has been chatted about in research or media circles in some fashion or another. danah said this and that.


She mentions all this on the blog, and extrapolates, says stuff the journalist didn&#039;t ask her about. Stuff that really matters but didn&#039;t come up. Journalist can use this, and there has been no violation of scoop rules.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant that if danah wants to give her side of the story on her blog, the reporter might learn something, and reflect that in their story. It is no different from conducting an interview with someone, and then going back to discuss some more. You get more context and material.</p>
<p>And there is a way you can do this without blowing someone&#8217;s scoop (in some cases). For example: story is about the &#8220;deep web&#8221;. danah says a journalist interviewed her for the story, that they discussed various aspects of the deep web, most of which has been chatted about in research or media circles in some fashion or another. danah said this and that.</p>
<p>She mentions all this on the blog, and extrapolates, says stuff the journalist didn&#8217;t ask her about. Stuff that really matters but didn&#8217;t come up. Journalist can use this, and there has been no violation of scoop rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/18/you_cant_blog_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-11906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m also curious in how it&#039;d affect the journalist&#039;s story&quot;


That&#039;s like saying that you&#039;re curious about how scratching someone&#039;s car will affect the car and the owner of the car. The car will still take them somewhere but IT WILL GREATLY ANNOY THEM.


And I&#039;m tired of reading about &quot;old worldview&quot; and &quot;Gutenberg past.&quot; It&#039;s a matter of respect.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m also curious in how it&#8217;d affect the journalist&#8217;s story&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying that you&#8217;re curious about how scratching someone&#8217;s car will affect the car and the owner of the car. The car will still take them somewhere but IT WILL GREATLY ANNOY THEM.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m tired of reading about &#8220;old worldview&#8221; and &#8220;Gutenberg past.&#8221; It&#8217;s a matter of respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Elsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this interesting.  I can relate on having friends, family or peers saying that to me.  It&#039;s always a case of something personal that I wouldn&#039;t have blogged because it&#039;s personal (though I have seen bloggers that blog all and treat their blog like an under-the-bed kind of journal).  I haven&#039;t experienced a published interview and this kind of thing yet.  I have a feeling that it may have to do with the &quot;original interview material&quot; thing that some commenters have mentioned though.  I don&#039;t think a journalist should worry or care much if you blog about it ahead of time in this situation though, as it&#039;s on opinions.  I&#039;m also curious in how it&#039;d affect the journalist&#039;s story, like TaraK said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this interesting.  I can relate on having friends, family or peers saying that to me.  It&#8217;s always a case of something personal that I wouldn&#8217;t have blogged because it&#8217;s personal (though I have seen bloggers that blog all and treat their blog like an under-the-bed kind of journal).  I haven&#8217;t experienced a published interview and this kind of thing yet.  I have a feeling that it may have to do with the &#8220;original interview material&#8221; thing that some commenters have mentioned though.  I don&#8217;t think a journalist should worry or care much if you blog about it ahead of time in this situation though, as it&#8217;s on opinions.  I&#8217;m also curious in how it&#8217;d affect the journalist&#8217;s story, like TaraK said.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Federman</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/10/18/you_cant_blog_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-11904</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Federman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalists are living in a Gutenberg past - that&#039;s the worldview that has been trained into them based on the ground of physical-world-mediated journalism. The traditional value of the &quot;scoop&quot; is a competitive mandatory in a world of scarcity - in the case of traditional journalism, it is attention, eyeballs, and mindshare that is considered scarce.


But in a UCaPP (ubiquitously connected and pervasively proximate) world, none of these are scarce, so long as there is something new to know (aye, there&#039;s the rub! Journalists have to come up with something originally synthesized, as opposed to merely a collection of opinions sewn together) You blogging the complete (more or less) context (ie. interview) from which a quote will be taken is actually a natural form of the blogosphere. By rights, the excerpted quote should have a hyperlink leading to your blogging of the interview.


But inkstained minds take a long time to change...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalists are living in a Gutenberg past &#8211; that&#8217;s the worldview that has been trained into them based on the ground of physical-world-mediated journalism. The traditional value of the &#8220;scoop&#8221; is a competitive mandatory in a world of scarcity &#8211; in the case of traditional journalism, it is attention, eyeballs, and mindshare that is considered scarce.</p>
<p>But in a UCaPP (ubiquitously connected and pervasively proximate) world, none of these are scarce, so long as there is something new to know (aye, there&#8217;s the rub! Journalists have to come up with something originally synthesized, as opposed to merely a collection of opinions sewn together) You blogging the complete (more or less) context (ie. interview) from which a quote will be taken is actually a natural form of the blogosphere. By rights, the excerpted quote should have a hyperlink leading to your blogging of the interview.</p>
<p>But inkstained minds take a long time to change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TaraK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TaraK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested in the idea that danah could effect the outcome of the story by blogging in advance of it. Not w/r/t scooping it, but in changing the reporter&#039;s writeup or perspective or point if you will, during the writing/editing process.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in the idea that danah could effect the outcome of the story by blogging in advance of it. Not w/r/t scooping it, but in changing the reporter&#8217;s writeup or perspective or point if you will, during the writing/editing process.</p>
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		<title>By: Zigzag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zigzag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say it&#039;s your &quot;job&quot; to &quot;expose the unexposed&quot; there is a quailty of the private that is universal. As writing instructor I always say to &quot;write as if you parents were dead.&quot;


People will come back to you because you had the balls to say all the things that others were too afraid to say.


As for the journalist. Okay. Fine. Wait a few weeks. But really, what serves the reader? Are we here to cater to ourselves, or to serve the reader?


What&#039;s important to you about withholding? If it serves you and the reader, sometimes patience can be a key link. However, if withholding doesn&#039;t serve the reader than who are you serving?


Just a few thoughts.


I like your blog a lot.


--zz
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say it&#8217;s your &#8220;job&#8221; to &#8220;expose the unexposed&#8221; there is a quailty of the private that is universal. As writing instructor I always say to &#8220;write as if you parents were dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>People will come back to you because you had the balls to say all the things that others were too afraid to say.</p>
<p>As for the journalist. Okay. Fine. Wait a few weeks. But really, what serves the reader? Are we here to cater to ourselves, or to serve the reader?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s important to you about withholding? If it serves you and the reader, sometimes patience can be a key link. However, if withholding doesn&#8217;t serve the reader than who are you serving?</p>
<p>Just a few thoughts.</p>
<p>I like your blog a lot.</p>
<p>&#8211;zz</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fascinated by the conversation here, but i don&#039;t feel any more resolved.  Part of the problem is that i&#039;m not giving them &quot;the story&quot; - i&#039;m giving them AN opinion on the topic they&#039;re covering.  Thus, whatever i blog about is not the story, but my side of the conversation.


It&#039;s funny... In ethnography land, i interview people all the time.  Human subjects makes me go through all of these protect-the-subjects steps and yet a good 50% of the time, my subjects blog about the interview within 24 hours, often naming me as having interviewed them.  So much for confidentiality.  But when i see this, i absolutely love it.  I get to read their perspective on the interview, that which they would put out to their peers.  And in a few occasions, it was that blogging that motivated me to do follow-ups and understand the difference between what i had recorded and what they said they said.  Of course, in my line of work, i&#039;m trying to understand people in their own words, And i&#039;m not looking for exclusivity, i&#039;m looking for human beliefs and experiences.


But Jon, i also don&#039;t see myself making a mountain out of a molehill here.  I&#039;m more cocking my head and going Baroo?  this is fascinating.  Just like another little social observation that fascinates me.  There are lots of things that i don&#039;t blog, but i&#039;m always intrigued when someone explicitly tells me to not blog something.  When it&#039;s a friend, sure, but when it&#039;s someone who wants to control my voice, i still have to wonder what gives them that power.  In some cases, i&#039;ve signed away certain abilities to speak (work being an obvious one).  But mostly, it&#039;s an ethical question.  And i don&#039;t know why it&#039;s OK for the press to try to exert power over their subjects - this is certainly not cool in my field.  I will offer respect, but it makes me feel unhappy to offer submission.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fascinated by the conversation here, but i don&#8217;t feel any more resolved.  Part of the problem is that i&#8217;m not giving them &#8220;the story&#8221; &#8211; i&#8217;m giving them AN opinion on the topic they&#8217;re covering.  Thus, whatever i blog about is not the story, but my side of the conversation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny&#8230; In ethnography land, i interview people all the time.  Human subjects makes me go through all of these protect-the-subjects steps and yet a good 50% of the time, my subjects blog about the interview within 24 hours, often naming me as having interviewed them.  So much for confidentiality.  But when i see this, i absolutely love it.  I get to read their perspective on the interview, that which they would put out to their peers.  And in a few occasions, it was that blogging that motivated me to do follow-ups and understand the difference between what i had recorded and what they said they said.  Of course, in my line of work, i&#8217;m trying to understand people in their own words, And i&#8217;m not looking for exclusivity, i&#8217;m looking for human beliefs and experiences.</p>
<p>But Jon, i also don&#8217;t see myself making a mountain out of a molehill here.  I&#8217;m more cocking my head and going Baroo?  this is fascinating.  Just like another little social observation that fascinates me.  There are lots of things that i don&#8217;t blog, but i&#8217;m always intrigued when someone explicitly tells me to not blog something.  When it&#8217;s a friend, sure, but when it&#8217;s someone who wants to control my voice, i still have to wonder what gives them that power.  In some cases, i&#8217;ve signed away certain abilities to speak (work being an obvious one).  But mostly, it&#8217;s an ethical question.  And i don&#8217;t know why it&#8217;s OK for the press to try to exert power over their subjects &#8211; this is certainly not cool in my field.  I will offer respect, but it makes me feel unhappy to offer submission.</p>
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