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		<title>By: Tom Coates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2005 06:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very sweet, Ms Jen! Unfortunately I&#039;m going to be stuck in the UK and wouldn&#039;t be able to attend. xx Tom
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very sweet, Ms Jen! Unfortunately I&#8217;m going to be stuck in the UK and wouldn&#8217;t be able to attend. xx Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Bluehouse</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/04/15/blogher_conference.html/comment-page-1#comment-8474</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bluehouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heyla!   so I was doing some research at work, (Mostly on money, power and depreciation in the 18th century)  And this means looking at alot of the newspapers of early america, and I noticed how much they are like blogs... lots of psyudonyms, lots of inane ramblings, semi conspiritorial linkings, famous folks writing at anyman, or &#039;true patriots&quot;  -- Really kinda neat.  You&#039;ve been on m&#039;mind alot.. miss ya!


((look for accessible archies and early american newspapers through your library for online versions of these paper)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heyla!   so I was doing some research at work, (Mostly on money, power and depreciation in the 18th century)  And this means looking at alot of the newspapers of early america, and I noticed how much they are like blogs&#8230; lots of psyudonyms, lots of inane ramblings, semi conspiritorial linkings, famous folks writing at anyman, or &#8216;true patriots&#8221;  &#8212; Really kinda neat.  You&#8217;ve been on m&#8217;mind alot.. miss ya!</p>
<p>((look for accessible archies and early american newspapers through your library for online versions of these paper)</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oopss...


Revise first sentence to say:


Last summer, 2004, a few of my friends and I drove up from LA to go to a blogging party and we had a blast on the road trip, meeting new people, and wandering around SF.
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<p>Revise first sentence to say:</p>
<p>Last summer, 2004, a few of my friends and I drove up from LA to go to a blogging party and we had a blast on the road trip, meeting new people, and wandering around SF.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/04/15/blogher_conference.html/comment-page-1#comment-8472</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last summer, 2004, a few of my friends and I drove up from LA to go to and we had a blast on the road trip, meeting new people, and wandering around SF.


I am now trying to round up the gang for a road trip this summer to BlogHer.  Get out of LA, take a drive, listen to new cds, meet new people, stay at a hotel, have an adventure, talk about technology, drive back again.


What could be wrong with that?  Sounds like fun to me.  This time we will leave Greg at home, but Tom is welcome to join us again...


smiles, jen ;o)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last summer, 2004, a few of my friends and I drove up from LA to go to and we had a blast on the road trip, meeting new people, and wandering around SF.</p>
<p>I am now trying to round up the gang for a road trip this summer to BlogHer.  Get out of LA, take a drive, listen to new cds, meet new people, stay at a hotel, have an adventure, talk about technology, drive back again.</p>
<p>What could be wrong with that?  Sounds like fun to me.  This time we will leave Greg at home, but Tom is welcome to join us again&#8230;</p>
<p>smiles, jen ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJayTrouble</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJayTrouble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Barb- Males like space also.  Both females and males like the comfort of less space at times also.


I indicated what I would do, by telling what I &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; done.  I don&#039;t have the green power to attend conferences, and little interest, so I&#039;m of no help on that score.


As far as agendas, I indicated on my blog.


A little about me, Barb..


My older Sister&#039;s kids have hypenated names and my younger Sisters have a middle name of one and last name of another (so the two have different last names).  The younger said she&#039;d probably do things differently because of the confusion, but it seemed important at the time.


No..


..I can&#039;t be my Sisters&#039; Sister, but can only be their Brother.  Why don&#039;t you visit parts of Pakistan or Africa to get a better feel what sexism is like?  And how&#039;s your attempt to walk in the shoes of 21st Century male coming, btw?


One thing about the comments in blogs is, depending on how the moderator wields the power, it &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be a place where the power of the talking stick is shared.  Don&#039;t see where you had trouble finding the space here to lambast me, in error, btw.


Me being a man, guess that&#039;s no problemo to you... ...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barb- Males like space also.  Both females and males like the comfort of less space at times also.</p>
<p>I indicated what I would do, by telling what I <i>have</i> done.  I don&#8217;t have the green power to attend conferences, and little interest, so I&#8217;m of no help on that score.</p>
<p>As far as agendas, I indicated on my blog.</p>
<p>A little about me, Barb..</p>
<p>My older Sister&#8217;s kids have hypenated names and my younger Sisters have a middle name of one and last name of another (so the two have different last names).  The younger said she&#8217;d probably do things differently because of the confusion, but it seemed important at the time.</p>
<p>No..</p>
<p>..I can&#8217;t be my Sisters&#8217; Sister, but can only be their Brother.  Why don&#8217;t you visit parts of Pakistan or Africa to get a better feel what sexism is like?  And how&#8217;s your attempt to walk in the shoes of 21st Century male coming, btw?</p>
<p>One thing about the comments in blogs is, depending on how the moderator wields the power, it <i>can</i> be a place where the power of the talking stick is shared.  Don&#8217;t see where you had trouble finding the space here to lambast me, in error, btw.</p>
<p>Me being a man, guess that&#8217;s no problemo to you&#8230; &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: barb dybwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>barb dybwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex - I don&#039;t doubt your sincerity and I appreciate your response, thanks (and I share your goals, as well - but how do we get from here to there?). I spoke out of frustration and hit {return} so, I, too, apologize for hasty words easily misinterpreted.


@ JJT - Since I won&#039;t have time to attend the conf, and since I&#039;m not in possession of the ability to speak for all women who might attend it, I couldn&#039;t very well say -- though I highly doubt it. Speaking for myself, I can safely say those words were not directed at someone identifying as male who might possibly attend the conference, rather they were directed at someone, regardless of gender identification, taking issue with the conference&#039;s very right to exist. As Melissa rightly points out, it&#039;s ultimately about power, and about female-identified persons feeling the need to have some space and time to sit down together and discuss why we more often than not have to forcibly grab the talking stick rather than having it freely passed to us. I&#039;d wager a guess that any male-identified person who is interested in furthering that agenda is more than welcome at the conf.


This is the source of the frustration I spoke of above - I&#039;m so tired of having to have this same damn conversation every time women struggle to establish space. Seems that a lot of folks very suddenly concerned with gender inequality come out of the woodwork who are conspicuously absent when things like etech with 3% female representation (or whatever abysmal figure it is) are going on. If you&#039;re really so concerned with gender inequality, you&#039;re going to have to actually do something about it other than griping about how women want to have a conference, and you&#039;re also going to have to realize that BlogHerCon will come and go without society having suddenly shifting to a matriarchy overnight. It&#039;s difficult enough to actually establish the space, much less have to justify the desire to have the space in the first place every single time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex &#8211; I don&#8217;t doubt your sincerity and I appreciate your response, thanks (and I share your goals, as well &#8211; but how do we get from here to there?). I spoke out of frustration and hit {return} so, I, too, apologize for hasty words easily misinterpreted.</p>
<p>@ JJT &#8211; Since I won&#8217;t have time to attend the conf, and since I&#8217;m not in possession of the ability to speak for all women who might attend it, I couldn&#8217;t very well say &#8212; though I highly doubt it. Speaking for myself, I can safely say those words were not directed at someone identifying as male who might possibly attend the conference, rather they were directed at someone, regardless of gender identification, taking issue with the conference&#8217;s very right to exist. As Melissa rightly points out, it&#8217;s ultimately about power, and about female-identified persons feeling the need to have some space and time to sit down together and discuss why we more often than not have to forcibly grab the talking stick rather than having it freely passed to us. I&#8217;d wager a guess that any male-identified person who is interested in furthering that agenda is more than welcome at the conf.</p>
<p>This is the source of the frustration I spoke of above &#8211; I&#8217;m so tired of having to have this same damn conversation every time women struggle to establish space. Seems that a lot of folks very suddenly concerned with gender inequality come out of the woodwork who are conspicuously absent when things like etech with 3% female representation (or whatever abysmal figure it is) are going on. If you&#8217;re really so concerned with gender inequality, you&#8217;re going to have to actually do something about it other than griping about how women want to have a conference, and you&#8217;re also going to have to realize that BlogHerCon will come and go without society having suddenly shifting to a matriarchy overnight. It&#8217;s difficult enough to actually establish the space, much less have to justify the desire to have the space in the first place every single time.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJayTrouble</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJayTrouble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the comments above indicative of the reaction a male would get at BlogHer Con?


Just wondering...




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<p>Just wondering&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Supertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Supertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ BarB, This is genuine! I mean this: I&#039;m sorry if my response was interpreted as anything other than wishing luck and support for the conference.
I was just reinforcing my belief in individualism.
I just long for the day when individual liberty can truly exist, where it is not based on race, gender, religion, or orientation.  Where we all are entitled to and recieve the same rights and respects. ( I know we are not there now, but without hope, what do we have?)
Barb I wish you peace and happiness!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ BarB, This is genuine! I mean this: I&#8217;m sorry if my response was interpreted as anything other than wishing luck and support for the conference.<br />
I was just reinforcing my belief in individualism.<br />
I just long for the day when individual liberty can truly exist, where it is not based on race, gender, religion, or orientation.  Where we all are entitled to and recieve the same rights and respects. ( I know we are not there now, but without hope, what do we have?)<br />
Barb I wish you peace and happiness!</p>
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		<title>By: barb dybwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>barb dybwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JJT and Alex - With all due respect, I suggest you rewind your lives alllll the way back to the beginning, switch genders, go through infancy and toddlership and girlhood and adolescence and adulthood as females, and then come back to this thread, so that you can have a good, long, deep laugh at the foolish things your male incarnations are saying in it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JJT and Alex &#8211; With all due respect, I suggest you rewind your lives alllll the way back to the beginning, switch genders, go through infancy and toddlership and girlhood and adolescence and adulthood as females, and then come back to this thread, so that you can have a good, long, deep laugh at the foolish things your male incarnations are saying in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Gira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Gira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJT,


Bloghercon isn&#039;t calling for some sort of biological, blogger-based essentialism: ie, the cunts are disempowered and must rally together to fight that.  (Essentialism, one can argue, is a product of patriarchy, and just another tool to divide and conquer.)  It&#039;s not about women; it&#039;s about power.


I.e., this is not about calling out those with dicks, but about imbalances of power.  (And not all with dicks are men, but that&#039;s another story...) Not about choosing The Pants Door vs. Skirts Door when taking a piss, but about imbalances of power.  Not about a buck to our 82 cents, but imbalances of power.  The dicks, the Pants Door, and the dollar are not the problem.  Power is why dicks, the Pants Door, and the dollar signify anything, and often, why what they signify is trouble to the female-bodied and female-gendered.


(In school words: This is about systematic, structural oppression and disenfranchisement, that puts all but the manliest, whitest, and wealthiest at increasingly distant margins.  Why some men are &quot;worth&quot; more than others in this culture, as well.)


It&#039;s a sexist world, a sexist USA, a sexist media, a sexist blogosphere -- no surprises there.  What&#039;s surprising to me is that even though this medium grew up from such &quot;anyone can say anything, aren&#039;t we all equal now!&quot; values, that anyone still, five, seven years now on out, still believes that.
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<p>Bloghercon isn&#8217;t calling for some sort of biological, blogger-based essentialism: ie, the cunts are disempowered and must rally together to fight that.  (Essentialism, one can argue, is a product of patriarchy, and just another tool to divide and conquer.)  It&#8217;s not about women; it&#8217;s about power.</p>
<p>I.e., this is not about calling out those with dicks, but about imbalances of power.  (And not all with dicks are men, but that&#8217;s another story&#8230;) Not about choosing The Pants Door vs. Skirts Door when taking a piss, but about imbalances of power.  Not about a buck to our 82 cents, but imbalances of power.  The dicks, the Pants Door, and the dollar are not the problem.  Power is why dicks, the Pants Door, and the dollar signify anything, and often, why what they signify is trouble to the female-bodied and female-gendered.</p>
<p>(In school words: This is about systematic, structural oppression and disenfranchisement, that puts all but the manliest, whitest, and wealthiest at increasingly distant margins.  Why some men are &#8220;worth&#8221; more than others in this culture, as well.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sexist world, a sexist USA, a sexist media, a sexist blogosphere &#8212; no surprises there.  What&#8217;s surprising to me is that even though this medium grew up from such &#8220;anyone can say anything, aren&#8217;t we all equal now!&#8221; values, that anyone still, five, seven years now on out, still believes that.</p>
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