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		<title>By: Mei Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/12/09/my_queer_identity.html/comment-page-1#comment-27572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mei Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible! Nearly six years later, and the reply is STILL &quot;well said.&quot; Have you thought of publishing this elsewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible! Nearly six years later, and the reply is STILL &#8220;well said.&#8221; Have you thought of publishing this elsewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Mandzik</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/12/09/my_queer_identity.html/comment-page-1#comment-7311</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Mandzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana - liked your post and felt I should comment, even though I&#039;m years late. Speaking of, do u have an update to these thoughts/feelings? Zephoria &#039;09??


As an extreme serial monogamist I take umbrage at ur comments. While they are clearly just thoughts, feelings and deep ones, it bothers me. Cultural oppression is tough and hard, I know this. But it is possible to rise above that, to get past it. Reach a stage, where u seem to be at, where sex-love-friendship is something free and beautiful. It can be ephemeral but it can also be long and yes forever.


So I take umbrage that you clearly are avoiding the topic of commitment. Instead describing how U&#039;ve learned to be free and are shocked that others judge you so for being free. Yet to me ur thoughts scream fear of commitment.


I see beneath the talk of queer and sex a violent eruption against bring locked down. Now I only bring this up b/c I have found the woman of my dreams. She is absolutely amazing but reflecting ur thoughts and expressions in this post. It is taking all my love, patience, and caring to fight through the eruptions.


Understanding ur own sexuality and place in the world is but the first step. The next step is having the faith and confidence to achieve happiness through love. I hope my girl can do this. I hope u have done it too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana &#8211; liked your post and felt I should comment, even though I&#8217;m years late. Speaking of, do u have an update to these thoughts/feelings? Zephoria &#8217;09??</p>
<p>As an extreme serial monogamist I take umbrage at ur comments. While they are clearly just thoughts, feelings and deep ones, it bothers me. Cultural oppression is tough and hard, I know this. But it is possible to rise above that, to get past it. Reach a stage, where u seem to be at, where sex-love-friendship is something free and beautiful. It can be ephemeral but it can also be long and yes forever.</p>
<p>So I take umbrage that you clearly are avoiding the topic of commitment. Instead describing how U&#8217;ve learned to be free and are shocked that others judge you so for being free. Yet to me ur thoughts scream fear of commitment.</p>
<p>I see beneath the talk of queer and sex a violent eruption against bring locked down. Now I only bring this up b/c I have found the woman of my dreams. She is absolutely amazing but reflecting ur thoughts and expressions in this post. It is taking all my love, patience, and caring to fight through the eruptions.</p>
<p>Understanding ur own sexuality and place in the world is but the first step. The next step is having the faith and confidence to achieve happiness through love. I hope my girl can do this. I hope u have done it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitewave</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/12/09/my_queer_identity.html/comment-page-1#comment-7310</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitewave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad that my psyche is expanding to a more inclusive place.  I really like this post.  I get so tired of the militant stuff which comes from both sides and which only reinforces the struggle.  This quote:


&quot;I believe that social efforts to construct something as &#039;wrong&#039; are simply mechanisms to assert power and control, an attempt to play God, not to honor God.&quot;


is true, but when there&#039;s a backlash, then the equal and opposite reaction easily ends up becoming just like the original offender in the struggle for power.  As a Christian, I am working to get &quot;our side&quot; (which I don&#039;t really identify with, but can still speak for in a marginal way...  heh-heh) to just put down the weapons and back off.  Totally.  De-escalation will help everyone.


I really get to hear you speak of love here, which is so freakin&#039; beautiful and I really love it.  I can totally relate to all that ... except I&#039;m a hetero.  I&#039;m just so relieved.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad that my psyche is expanding to a more inclusive place.  I really like this post.  I get so tired of the militant stuff which comes from both sides and which only reinforces the struggle.  This quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe that social efforts to construct something as &#8216;wrong&#8217; are simply mechanisms to assert power and control, an attempt to play God, not to honor God.&#8221;</p>
<p>is true, but when there&#8217;s a backlash, then the equal and opposite reaction easily ends up becoming just like the original offender in the struggle for power.  As a Christian, I am working to get &#8220;our side&#8221; (which I don&#8217;t really identify with, but can still speak for in a marginal way&#8230;  heh-heh) to just put down the weapons and back off.  Totally.  De-escalation will help everyone.</p>
<p>I really get to hear you speak of love here, which is so freakin&#8217; beautiful and I really love it.  I can totally relate to all that &#8230; except I&#8217;m a hetero.  I&#8217;m just so relieved.</p>
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		<title>By: LeAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your blog, and I have a problen with you calling yourself gueer, you are by no means gueer as I or anyone else who is gendered. I as meany of us who live in the world as fem. are no more gay or queer than we would call ourself male. Please do not call yourself names, you have not done anything wrong nor are you a bad person, you are transgendered, I an many of us are as much female as any gg in our minds, only our bodys befor we can be post op are different. This is a subject of many words and feelings, and here is a limited space to tell all. I would say to you be the girl you are, never look back  and live your life with a smill, be happy, be yourself, and love yourself first. God loves you for who you are and so should you. Take care, I belive in you.
LeAnn
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your blog, and I have a problen with you calling yourself gueer, you are by no means gueer as I or anyone else who is gendered. I as meany of us who live in the world as fem. are no more gay or queer than we would call ourself male. Please do not call yourself names, you have not done anything wrong nor are you a bad person, you are transgendered, I an many of us are as much female as any gg in our minds, only our bodys befor we can be post op are different. This is a subject of many words and feelings, and here is a limited space to tell all. I would say to you be the girl you are, never look back  and live your life with a smill, be happy, be yourself, and love yourself first. God loves you for who you are and so should you. Take care, I belive in you.<br />
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		<title>By: barb dybwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>barb dybwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never been able to understand what is so alluring about roles - why people are obsessed with fitting into them, as well as beating over the head those who try to fit in and fail or, god forbid, refuse to play the game altogether. What is it about - this human tendency to box ourselves in, to create artificial limits and rules? Ultimately, I think there is individual and collective fear about discovering who we truly are, because the immensely unclassifiable and unruly nature of humanity is so difficult to grok.


As we grow up, we are handed an official picture of reality that falsely presents a static collection of neat hierarchies. When faced with &#039;exceptions&#039; to the categories we&#039;ve invented, society has historically stuck its proverbial head into the sand and demonized, ostracized, and brutalized those who don&#039;t fit, instead of questioning the underlying assumption that there ought to be something to fit into in the first place. It&#039;s a mental heuristic, a shortcut people use to avoid having to process the actual complexity of the truth. Mental laziness.


All of which creates absolutely bizarre assumptions that get accepted as cultural truisms, such as &#039;homosexuality and spirituality are mutually exclusive.&#039; Why accept that statement at face value, without questioning it? Because it&#039;s easier. We&#039;re living life at hyperspeed now, and emotional work is not profitable activity. Collective consciousness suffers. But there is hope, always - messages like these from folks committed to living openly are encouraging others to think and re-think assumptions and self-deceptions. Look at the trail of affected minds emblazoned right here on this page. Remarkable. Hopeful.


Thanks for the post, and for being a highly visible queer individual on the web, gleefully leaping out of those boxes left and right. :)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never been able to understand what is so alluring about roles &#8211; why people are obsessed with fitting into them, as well as beating over the head those who try to fit in and fail or, god forbid, refuse to play the game altogether. What is it about &#8211; this human tendency to box ourselves in, to create artificial limits and rules? Ultimately, I think there is individual and collective fear about discovering who we truly are, because the immensely unclassifiable and unruly nature of humanity is so difficult to grok.</p>
<p>As we grow up, we are handed an official picture of reality that falsely presents a static collection of neat hierarchies. When faced with &#8216;exceptions&#8217; to the categories we&#8217;ve invented, society has historically stuck its proverbial head into the sand and demonized, ostracized, and brutalized those who don&#8217;t fit, instead of questioning the underlying assumption that there ought to be something to fit into in the first place. It&#8217;s a mental heuristic, a shortcut people use to avoid having to process the actual complexity of the truth. Mental laziness.</p>
<p>All of which creates absolutely bizarre assumptions that get accepted as cultural truisms, such as &#8216;homosexuality and spirituality are mutually exclusive.&#8217; Why accept that statement at face value, without questioning it? Because it&#8217;s easier. We&#8217;re living life at hyperspeed now, and emotional work is not profitable activity. Collective consciousness suffers. But there is hope, always &#8211; messages like these from folks committed to living openly are encouraging others to think and re-think assumptions and self-deceptions. Look at the trail of affected minds emblazoned right here on this page. Remarkable. Hopeful.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post, and for being a highly visible queer individual on the web, gleefully leaping out of those boxes left and right. <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SevenCubed</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/12/09/my_queer_identity.html/comment-page-1#comment-7307</link>
		<dc:creator>SevenCubed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful. Would that we all could so concisely sum up our views, and would that we could all have views so thorougly thought-out.


If I may... Although I, too, espouse the word &quot;Queer&quot; as a sort of catch-all, I also have no problem with &quot;Bisexual&quot;, and have used the term to self-identify for years. I understand what you&#039;re saying about defying gender roles and conformity, but I think of it in terms of Society definitions. If I&#039;m talking to someone, and the only words they know for sexuality are Straight, Bi, or Gay, I feel as though &quot;Bi&quot; is the most comfortable fit. It has an implication of &quot;All of the above&quot;, and that implication suits me. I don&#039;t consider it an unreasonable compromise to society, and would PREFER another term. I&#039;d prefer another Gender, since &quot;Male&quot; doesn&#039;t quite fit, but It&#039;s a closer fit than &quot;Female&quot;. But yeah. For now, I&#039;ll use the words we have.


Thank you again for YOUR words, however, and I look forward to reading more.


-343
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful. Would that we all could so concisely sum up our views, and would that we could all have views so thorougly thought-out.</p>
<p>If I may&#8230; Although I, too, espouse the word &#8220;Queer&#8221; as a sort of catch-all, I also have no problem with &#8220;Bisexual&#8221;, and have used the term to self-identify for years. I understand what you&#8217;re saying about defying gender roles and conformity, but I think of it in terms of Society definitions. If I&#8217;m talking to someone, and the only words they know for sexuality are Straight, Bi, or Gay, I feel as though &#8220;Bi&#8221; is the most comfortable fit. It has an implication of &#8220;All of the above&#8221;, and that implication suits me. I don&#8217;t consider it an unreasonable compromise to society, and would PREFER another term. I&#8217;d prefer another Gender, since &#8220;Male&#8221; doesn&#8217;t quite fit, but It&#8217;s a closer fit than &#8220;Female&#8221;. But yeah. For now, I&#8217;ll use the words we have.</p>
<p>Thank you again for YOUR words, however, and I look forward to reading more.</p>
<p>-343</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin Einspruch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin Einspruch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I believe that no one has the right to make you feel badly for your sexuality and i believe that the struggle we all face is how to find peace and comfort in who we are and how we interact with others.&lt;/i&gt; Maybe this doesn&#039;t need saying, but if someone&#039;s sexuality prompts them to violate other people&#039;s consent or get involved with folks too young to consent, I believe I have a right to make them feel badly about it. That&#039;s not cool.


Other than that, go nuts!


Nice post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe that no one has the right to make you feel badly for your sexuality and i believe that the struggle we all face is how to find peace and comfort in who we are and how we interact with others.</i> Maybe this doesn&#8217;t need saying, but if someone&#8217;s sexuality prompts them to violate other people&#8217;s consent or get involved with folks too young to consent, I believe I have a right to make them feel badly about it. That&#8217;s not cool.</p>
<p>Other than that, go nuts!</p>
<p>Nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again I&#039;m surprised that I live in a country far away from yours and reading this feels like you were reading my mind.


&quot;Queer&quot; is also the term I identify most with but as there is no such word in my native language (Swiss German), people here who are not interested in gender identities would only know the term &quot;bisexuell&quot;. I think it focuses too much on sexuality and doesn&#039;t really include &quot;falling in love&quot; (as you describe it) with a person of any gender and reinforces the binary thinking. It&#039;s not always easy explaining my feelings and behavoir when there are no words to describe them... The Sapir-Whorf-hypothesis suggests that there is a systematic relationship between the categories of the language a person speaks and how that person both understands the world and behaves in it.
Do you think that if there was a word in every language for the English word &quot;queer&quot; would more people identify with it as I&#039;m sure that most people&#039;s &#039;chemistry does not fall along neat lines of either gender or sexuality&#039;? Does your definition of &quot;queer&quot; include so-called heterosexuals or do you see it in opposition to heterosexual?
As far as I know &quot;queer&quot; used to have a negative connotation and has been &quot;reclaimed&quot; in a positive way. Does the former use of it still have any meaning for you?


Thanks for writing about this!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I&#8217;m surprised that I live in a country far away from yours and reading this feels like you were reading my mind.</p>
<p>&#8220;Queer&#8221; is also the term I identify most with but as there is no such word in my native language (Swiss German), people here who are not interested in gender identities would only know the term &#8220;bisexuell&#8221;. I think it focuses too much on sexuality and doesn&#8217;t really include &#8220;falling in love&#8221; (as you describe it) with a person of any gender and reinforces the binary thinking. It&#8217;s not always easy explaining my feelings and behavoir when there are no words to describe them&#8230; The Sapir-Whorf-hypothesis suggests that there is a systematic relationship between the categories of the language a person speaks and how that person both understands the world and behaves in it.<br />
Do you think that if there was a word in every language for the English word &#8220;queer&#8221; would more people identify with it as I&#8217;m sure that most people&#8217;s &#8216;chemistry does not fall along neat lines of either gender or sexuality&#8217;? Does your definition of &#8220;queer&#8221; include so-called heterosexuals or do you see it in opposition to heterosexual?<br />
As far as I know &#8220;queer&#8221; used to have a negative connotation and has been &#8220;reclaimed&#8221; in a positive way. Does the former use of it still have any meaning for you?</p>
<p>Thanks for writing about this!</p>
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		<title>By: Borjigin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borjigin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me a full 24 hours to realize that I in fact can identify with what you say in relation to sexuality. Especially about falling in love without having any sexual chemistry.


Iv&#039;e read the Greg Egan book mentioned by cassidy, and I think it is called Distress. Another prescient is Warren Ellis in his Transmetropolitan graphic novels.


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aven.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.aven.org&lt;/a&gt; might be of interest. Hetero-, homo-, bi-, and now, a-sexual.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a full 24 hours to realize that I in fact can identify with what you say in relation to sexuality. Especially about falling in love without having any sexual chemistry.</p>
<p>Iv&#8217;e read the Greg Egan book mentioned by cassidy, and I think it is called Distress. Another prescient is Warren Ellis in his Transmetropolitan graphic novels.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aven.org" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.aven.org?referer=');">http://www.aven.org</a> might be of interest. Hetero-, homo-, bi-, and now, a-sexual.</p>
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		<title>By: loquacious</title>
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		<dc:creator>loquacious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to add a concise &quot;Word, Ms. Boyd&#039;, and note that Trembling Before G_D is available on Netflix (thanks franziska for the pointer).  Also, good suggestions from coturnix, but I wish I was as sure as he that the &quot;fundies&quot; weren&#039;t going to be able to stop what we see as progress.  They&#039;re doing exactly that in some parts of the country already.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to add a concise &#8220;Word, Ms. Boyd&#8217;, and note that Trembling Before G_D is available on Netflix (thanks franziska for the pointer).  Also, good suggestions from coturnix, but I wish I was as sure as he that the &#8220;fundies&#8221; weren&#8217;t going to be able to stop what we see as progress.  They&#8217;re doing exactly that in some parts of the country already.</p>
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