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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Mobility: Walmart Nation vs. Starbucks Nation</title>
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		<title>By: mamamusings</title>
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		<dc:creator>mamamusings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;a suburbanite responds&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;vent&gt;Having just returned from a several-day stay in smog-shrouded, traffic-clogged LA, I have to admit to a bit of irritation reading about Molly&#8217;s upcoming presentation at Design Engaged: &#8220;All Hail the Vast, Conforming Suburb of th...</description>
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<p>&lt;vent&gt;Having just returned from a several-day stay in smog-shrouded, traffic-clogged LA, I have to admit to a bit of irritation reading about Molly&#8217;s upcoming presentation at Design Engaged: &#8220;All Hail the Vast, Conforming Suburb of th&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eek! i don&#039;t know why it triple posted. please delete two of those. :(
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eek! i don&#8217;t know why it triple posted. please delete two of those. <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of what you describe, danah, comes from being an outsider in a place rather than an insider. When you&#039;re not familiar with the nooks and crannies of a location, you tend to focus on the familiar landmarks--malls, fast food, etc.


But as someone who lives in the &quot;Walmart Nation&quot; (the specific part of it you just visited, in fact), I know for a fact that there are plenty of independent coffee shops and quirky no-logo stores, if you&#039;re willing to take the time to look for them. And having spent the last two weeks traveling on interstates between campgrounds and rural towns, I can assure you that there&#039;s plenty of variety there as well. Yes, there&#039;s a Wal-Mart in Centreville, AL. But there&#039;s also the Twix-N-Tween, which has some of the best barbecue in the southeast.


(This post left me feeling a bit defensive...it&#039;s got a tone of elitism that I found surprising, considering its author. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of what you describe, danah, comes from being an outsider in a place rather than an insider. When you&#8217;re not familiar with the nooks and crannies of a location, you tend to focus on the familiar landmarks&#8211;malls, fast food, etc.</p>
<p>But as someone who lives in the &#8220;Walmart Nation&#8221; (the specific part of it you just visited, in fact), I know for a fact that there are plenty of independent coffee shops and quirky no-logo stores, if you&#8217;re willing to take the time to look for them. And having spent the last two weeks traveling on interstates between campgrounds and rural towns, I can assure you that there&#8217;s plenty of variety there as well. Yes, there&#8217;s a Wal-Mart in Centreville, AL. But there&#8217;s also the Twix-N-Tween, which has some of the best barbecue in the southeast.</p>
<p>(This post left me feeling a bit defensive&#8230;it&#8217;s got a tone of elitism that I found surprising, considering its author. <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of what you describe, danah, comes from being an outsider in a place rather than an insider. When you&#039;re not familiar with the nooks and crannies of a location, you tend to focus on the familiar landmarks--malls, fast food, etc.


But as someone who lives in the &quot;Walmart Nation&quot; (the specific part of it you just visited, in fact), I know for a fact that there are plenty of independent coffee shops and quirky no-logo stores, if you&#039;re willing to take the time to look for them. And having spent the last two weeks traveling on interstates between campgrounds and rural towns, I can assure you that there&#039;s plenty of variety there as well. Yes, there&#039;s a Wal-Mart in Centreville, AL. But there&#039;s also the Twix-N-Tween, which has some of the best barbecue in the southeast.


(This post left me feeling a bit defensive...it&#039;s got a tone of elitism that I found surprising, considering its author. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of what you describe, danah, comes from being an outsider in a place rather than an insider. When you&#8217;re not familiar with the nooks and crannies of a location, you tend to focus on the familiar landmarks&#8211;malls, fast food, etc.</p>
<p>But as someone who lives in the &#8220;Walmart Nation&#8221; (the specific part of it you just visited, in fact), I know for a fact that there are plenty of independent coffee shops and quirky no-logo stores, if you&#8217;re willing to take the time to look for them. And having spent the last two weeks traveling on interstates between campgrounds and rural towns, I can assure you that there&#8217;s plenty of variety there as well. Yes, there&#8217;s a Wal-Mart in Centreville, AL. But there&#8217;s also the Twix-N-Tween, which has some of the best barbecue in the southeast.</p>
<p>(This post left me feeling a bit defensive&#8230;it&#8217;s got a tone of elitism that I found surprising, considering its author. <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of what you describe, danah, comes from being an outsider in a place rather than an insider. When you&#039;re not familiar with the nooks and crannies of a location, you tend to focus on the familiar landmarks--malls, fast food, etc.


But as someone who lives in the &quot;Walmart Nation&quot; (the specific part of it you just visited, in fact), I know for a fact that there are plenty of independent coffee shops and quirky no-logo stores, if you&#039;re willing to take the time to look for them. And having spent the last two weeks traveling on interstates between campgrounds and rural towns, I can assure you that there&#039;s plenty of variety there as well. Yes, there&#039;s a Wal-Mart in Centreville, AL. But there&#039;s also the Twix-N-Tween, which has some of the best barbecue in the southeast.


(This post left me feeling a bit defensive...it&#039;s got a tone of elitism that I found surprising, considering its author. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of what you describe, danah, comes from being an outsider in a place rather than an insider. When you&#8217;re not familiar with the nooks and crannies of a location, you tend to focus on the familiar landmarks&#8211;malls, fast food, etc.</p>
<p>But as someone who lives in the &#8220;Walmart Nation&#8221; (the specific part of it you just visited, in fact), I know for a fact that there are plenty of independent coffee shops and quirky no-logo stores, if you&#8217;re willing to take the time to look for them. And having spent the last two weeks traveling on interstates between campgrounds and rural towns, I can assure you that there&#8217;s plenty of variety there as well. Yes, there&#8217;s a Wal-Mart in Centreville, AL. But there&#8217;s also the Twix-N-Tween, which has some of the best barbecue in the southeast.</p>
<p>(This post left me feeling a bit defensive&#8230;it&#8217;s got a tone of elitism that I found surprising, considering its author. <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting note about the details of Starbucks in Wichita - the region didn&#039;t have any until about a year and a half ago.


Starbucks has done a fantastic job of marketing a lifestyle, and the residents of Wichita have bought into it fully - Along with the much anticipated arrival of other chains ranging from Krispy Kreme to Abercrombie &amp; Fitch, the presence of Starbucks allows residents to feel as if they do exist as part of civilization.  It&#039;s certainly not the coffee itself - prior to the arrival of Starbucks i think most people made coffee at home (or didn&#039;t drink it at all), because we&#039;ve never had any abundance of independent coffee shops.


(And, to add a bit of credibility to my statements, i&#039;ve lived in Wichita for the past eleven years, escaping in four month intervals to attend school in the northeast. It&#039;s not actually the worst place in the world...though i&#039;m not in any rush to return on a permanent basis.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting note about the details of Starbucks in Wichita &#8211; the region didn&#8217;t have any until about a year and a half ago.</p>
<p>Starbucks has done a fantastic job of marketing a lifestyle, and the residents of Wichita have bought into it fully &#8211; Along with the much anticipated arrival of other chains ranging from Krispy Kreme to Abercrombie &#038; Fitch, the presence of Starbucks allows residents to feel as if they do exist as part of civilization.  It&#8217;s certainly not the coffee itself &#8211; prior to the arrival of Starbucks i think most people made coffee at home (or didn&#8217;t drink it at all), because we&#8217;ve never had any abundance of independent coffee shops.</p>
<p>(And, to add a bit of credibility to my statements, i&#8217;ve lived in Wichita for the past eleven years, escaping in four month intervals to attend school in the northeast. It&#8217;s not actually the worst place in the world&#8230;though i&#8217;m not in any rush to return on a permanent basis.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from 10 days travelling around Alaska where I found virtually NO national chains outside of Anchorage -- generally even the gas stations were an Alaskan brand not seen elsewhere.  No Starbucks, no MacDonalds, no Comfort Inn or Motel 6 -- well, there was a Subway just outside Denali National Park.


I also noticed a lack of class distinction between  servers/clerks/etc. in stores and their customers -- which made the usual class distinctions in &#039;the 48&#039; more apparent.  People seemed to know one another and, even when they didn&#039;t, treated one another as neighbors, not clerks and customers.  I think there&#039;s some relationship here: the store employees are not interchangeable/faceless units in homogenized stores.  Some of my most interesting conversations were with women working in restaurants, with whom I talked about why they moved to Alaska and what life is like for Alaska residents.


BTW, WalMart and Fred Meyers (a Northwest chain like WalMart) in Anchorage have BIG sections selling guns, not just hunting rifles but handguns.  I think I remember hearing that Alaska is the only place where WalMart does so.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from 10 days travelling around Alaska where I found virtually NO national chains outside of Anchorage &#8212; generally even the gas stations were an Alaskan brand not seen elsewhere.  No Starbucks, no MacDonalds, no Comfort Inn or Motel 6 &#8212; well, there was a Subway just outside Denali National Park.</p>
<p>I also noticed a lack of class distinction between  servers/clerks/etc. in stores and their customers &#8212; which made the usual class distinctions in &#8216;the 48&#8242; more apparent.  People seemed to know one another and, even when they didn&#8217;t, treated one another as neighbors, not clerks and customers.  I think there&#8217;s some relationship here: the store employees are not interchangeable/faceless units in homogenized stores.  Some of my most interesting conversations were with women working in restaurants, with whom I talked about why they moved to Alaska and what life is like for Alaska residents.</p>
<p>BTW, WalMart and Fred Meyers (a Northwest chain like WalMart) in Anchorage have BIG sections selling guns, not just hunting rifles but handguns.  I think I remember hearing that Alaska is the only place where WalMart does so.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubicomp+Shopping</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubicomp+Shopping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ウォルマート国家とスターバックス国家&lt;/strong&gt;

ウォルマート国家とスターバックス国家に分裂-た（消費者）社会でのモ&quot;リティ&#039;考察-たApopheniaブログのエントリー。...</description>
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<p>ウォルマート国家とスターバックス国家に分裂-た（消費者）社会でのモ&#8221;リティ&#8217;考察-たApopheniaブログのエントリー。&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeepers, you really struck a chord with this entry :)
Anyway, it also turned some wheels in my noggin. When thinking about the difference between the standardization of product in non-urban box stores and the more dispersed and specialized stores of urban centers, I want to argue that people in the former tend to live more habitual and routinized lives because of their job type, while people in the later tend to be from Richard Florida&#039;s &quot;creative class&quot; - people constantly seeking new sources of stimulation. But I guess Starbucks is the perfect counter example to this explanation, as it is supported by them creative types, yet it sells them nothing but the expected (i.e. one grande caffeine fix). Sooo, I dunno. Maybe the only thing they/we no collar workers want constant is our daily drug fix?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeepers, you really struck a chord with this entry <img src='http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Anyway, it also turned some wheels in my noggin. When thinking about the difference between the standardization of product in non-urban box stores and the more dispersed and specialized stores of urban centers, I want to argue that people in the former tend to live more habitual and routinized lives because of their job type, while people in the later tend to be from Richard Florida&#8217;s &#8220;creative class&#8221; &#8211; people constantly seeking new sources of stimulation. But I guess Starbucks is the perfect counter example to this explanation, as it is supported by them creative types, yet it sells them nothing but the expected (i.e. one grande caffeine fix). Sooo, I dunno. Maybe the only thing they/we no collar workers want constant is our daily drug fix?</p>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
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		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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my wife has a rant about walmarts...everyone is just mad at me these days...i can&#039;t figure this out...
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<p>my wife has a rant about walmarts&#8230;everyone is just mad at me these days&#8230;i can&#8217;t figure this out&#8230;</p>
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