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		<title>By: All the Pages are My Days</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4114</link>
		<dc:creator>All the Pages are My Days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;eDem Highlights&lt;/strong&gt;

Based on a quick search for &quot;digital democracy&quot; over at feedster, it&#039;s clear that this conference is going to be...</description>
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<p>Based on a quick search for &#8220;digital democracy&#8221; over at feedster, it&#8217;s clear that this conference is going to be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4109</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found it so in many social settings: a certain number of people drawn to an activity are also drawn to warning others drawn to that activity about how unrepresentative, cut off, marginal, statistically tiny, they (we) are.  It allows for being outside and inside at the same time.


Two posts for you folks:


The Tripping Point
&lt;a href=&quot;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/12/point_trippi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/12/point_trippi.html&lt;/a&gt;


Trippi Didn&#039;t Say What Reuters Said He Said
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found it so in many social settings: a certain number of people drawn to an activity are also drawn to warning others drawn to that activity about how unrepresentative, cut off, marginal, statistically tiny, they (we) are.  It allows for being outside and inside at the same time.</p>
<p>Two posts for you folks:</p>
<p>The Tripping Point<br />
<a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/12/point_trippi.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/12/point_trippi.html?referer=');">http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/12/point_trippi.html</a></p>
<p>Trippi Didn&#8217;t Say What Reuters Said He Said<br />
<a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/14/reuters_wrong.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/14/reuters_wrong.html?referer=');">http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/14/reuters_wrong.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Water Cooler Games</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4113</link>
		<dc:creator>Water Cooler Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A note on the Digital Democracy Teach-in&lt;/strong&gt;

This Monday I attended the Digital Democracy Teach-In at the O&#039;Reilly Emerging Technology Conference. Originally I was going to tag along on Britt Blaser&#039;s introductory session to talk about campaign games, but at the last minute Joe Trippi signed on...</description>
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<p>This Monday I attended the Digital Democracy Teach-In at the O&#8217;Reilly Emerging Technology Conference. Originally I was going to tag along on Britt Blaser&#8217;s introductory session to talk about campaign games, but at the last minute Joe Trippi signed on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Holly's Research Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4112</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly's Research Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;processing trippi&lt;/strong&gt;

I just listened to Joe Trippi speak at Etech.</description>
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<p>I just listened to Joe Trippi speak at Etech.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4108</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my main worry is that yes an effective way will be found to mobilise political will and influence opinion via the net, but that it will be found not by us here, but by the forces of darkness who found a way to exploit tv and radio for the means of sustaining vested interests rather than using them to help found democracies in Europe and north America.


I understand the argument that the net is a whooly different medium, that it is infinite exponential and by its very nature underground. But there is no telling how that might be subverted in the future. Did John Logie Baird know Hitler would be using TV with a decade? Can you imagine the governors of the BBC in 1945 believing the market forces could ever exist which have led to Murdoch owning half of the world&#039;s TV?


Unless we use the potential the internet and associated networks then we will lose it to people who think at best its optimum use is raising a few bucks for Dean, and at worse want to impose a catastrophic constriction on all media.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my main worry is that yes an effective way will be found to mobilise political will and influence opinion via the net, but that it will be found not by us here, but by the forces of darkness who found a way to exploit tv and radio for the means of sustaining vested interests rather than using them to help found democracies in Europe and north America.</p>
<p>I understand the argument that the net is a whooly different medium, that it is infinite exponential and by its very nature underground. But there is no telling how that might be subverted in the future. Did John Logie Baird know Hitler would be using TV with a decade? Can you imagine the governors of the BBC in 1945 believing the market forces could ever exist which have led to Murdoch owning half of the world&#8217;s TV?</p>
<p>Unless we use the potential the internet and associated networks then we will lose it to people who think at best its optimum use is raising a few bucks for Dean, and at worse want to impose a catastrophic constriction on all media.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Federman</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4107</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Federman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Castells comment, apparently at odds with the notion of the Internet as breaking down boundaries, is merely a reflection of the &quot;reversal&quot; media law - breaking down boundaries is the extension/enhancement. There are, of course, two more to consider - obsolescence and retrieval (the latter often being the trickiest to discover.) So there is no inconsistency to the student of Marshall McLuhan.


With respect to the Internet-powered Howard Dean Campaign, we are retrieving 1960 again, the first real use of television&#039;s effects. It took a number of years before we really figured out how to do &quot;broadcast politics&quot; really well (&quot;well&quot; being a relative term), and it will take a number of years before we figure out how to do network politics really well - essentially gaining a new form of active engagement. The other thing to note is that the mass-media television networks have tremendous vested interests in continuing their style of &quot;network&quot; politics, as much as the RIAA has a vested interest in continuing the sale of plastic-coated aluminum disks as long as possible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Castells comment, apparently at odds with the notion of the Internet as breaking down boundaries, is merely a reflection of the &#8220;reversal&#8221; media law &#8211; breaking down boundaries is the extension/enhancement. There are, of course, two more to consider &#8211; obsolescence and retrieval (the latter often being the trickiest to discover.) So there is no inconsistency to the student of Marshall McLuhan.</p>
<p>With respect to the Internet-powered Howard Dean Campaign, we are retrieving 1960 again, the first real use of television&#8217;s effects. It took a number of years before we really figured out how to do &#8220;broadcast politics&#8221; really well (&#8220;well&#8221; being a relative term), and it will take a number of years before we figure out how to do network politics really well &#8211; essentially gaining a new form of active engagement. The other thing to note is that the mass-media television networks have tremendous vested interests in continuing their style of &#8220;network&#8221; politics, as much as the RIAA has a vested interest in continuing the sale of plastic-coated aluminum disks as long as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4106</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it called the echo chamber effect because you posted it twice? Just kidding, Adina. I think it is true that the online networks we create are partly about meeting with similar minds, and partly about coming into conflict with others to either change their minds, have our minds changed, or to produce a synthesis of ideas.


Apophenia, although I see what you mean about worrying that the web just helps create further gated communities, you could also argue that the alienation of modern urban life justifies coming online at the end of the day and finding people of a like mind. You may have just spent all day working in a office with people you don&#039;t like, for a business you hate the principle of,  for a token wage which doesn&#039;t reflect your value in society. I think coming online to find people who will give you a foot/brain/ego rub is a good way to relax. And plot the downfall of the western world.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it called the echo chamber effect because you posted it twice? Just kidding, Adina. I think it is true that the online networks we create are partly about meeting with similar minds, and partly about coming into conflict with others to either change their minds, have our minds changed, or to produce a synthesis of ideas.</p>
<p>Apophenia, although I see what you mean about worrying that the web just helps create further gated communities, you could also argue that the alienation of modern urban life justifies coming online at the end of the day and finding people of a like mind. You may have just spent all day working in a office with people you don&#8217;t like, for a business you hate the principle of,  for a token wage which doesn&#8217;t reflect your value in society. I think coming online to find people who will give you a foot/brain/ego rub is a good way to relax. And plot the downfall of the western world.</p>
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		<title>By: Adina Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4105</link>
		<dc:creator>Adina Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Weinberger said something great about the so-called &quot;echo chamber.&quot;  Some of the time you want to talk to people who are different and learn from them. Some of the time you want to find supporters, energize supporters, and acheive a goal. You don&#039;t have to do both things at the same time.


To reduce discrimination against queer folk, the people to organize with aren&#039;t the rabid Christian right, they are likeminded and sympathetic people. Over time, also increase the number of like-minded and sympathetic people through experience and persuasion.


When you&#039;re learning and coalition-building, it&#039;s good talk to everyone, find and create common ground. When you&#039;re trying to achieve the goal, you find allies, co-ordinate with them, cheer with them.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Weinberger said something great about the so-called &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221;  Some of the time you want to talk to people who are different and learn from them. Some of the time you want to find supporters, energize supporters, and acheive a goal. You don&#8217;t have to do both things at the same time.</p>
<p>To reduce discrimination against queer folk, the people to organize with aren&#8217;t the rabid Christian right, they are likeminded and sympathetic people. Over time, also increase the number of like-minded and sympathetic people through experience and persuasion.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re learning and coalition-building, it&#8217;s good talk to everyone, find and create common ground. When you&#8217;re trying to achieve the goal, you find allies, co-ordinate with them, cheer with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adina Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4104</link>
		<dc:creator>Adina Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Weinberger said something great about the so-called &quot;echo chamber.&quot;  Some of the time you want to talk to people who are different and learn from them. Some of the time you want to find supporters, energize supporters, and acheive a goal. You don&#039;t have to do both things at the same time.


To reduce discrimination against queer folk, the people to organize with aren&#039;t the rabid Christian right, they are likeminded and sympathetic people. Over time, also increase the number of like-minded and sympathetic people through experience and persuasion.


When you&#039;re learning and coalition-building, it&#039;s good talk to everyone and find common ground. When you&#039;re trying to achieve the goal, you find allies, co-ordinate with them, cheer with them.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Weinberger said something great about the so-called &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221;  Some of the time you want to talk to people who are different and learn from them. Some of the time you want to find supporters, energize supporters, and acheive a goal. You don&#8217;t have to do both things at the same time.</p>
<p>To reduce discrimination against queer folk, the people to organize with aren&#8217;t the rabid Christian right, they are likeminded and sympathetic people. Over time, also increase the number of like-minded and sympathetic people through experience and persuasion.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re learning and coalition-building, it&#8217;s good talk to everyone and find common ground. When you&#8217;re trying to achieve the goal, you find allies, co-ordinate with them, cheer with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adina Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/09/processing_trippi.html/comment-page-1#comment-4103</link>
		<dc:creator>Adina Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danah, everyone?


I found the Trippi talk disappointing because he pointed fingers. He blamed the media and the primacy cycle. He didn&#039;t take responsibility for the disorganization in his own campaign and the lack of precinct organizing savvy that made the Dean get-out-the-vote effort less effective than Kerry. He didn&#039;t take responsibility for communication failures and flaws. After all the candidates had taken up the anti-war message, he didn&#039;t move on to other issues like health care and fiscal responsiblity.


It was all somebody else&#039;s fault, none of it was the responsibility of the campaign or the candidate.


I thoroughly agree that much more can be done by enabling groups to self-organize. But when you&#039;re running a presidential campaign, your guy needs to get more votes on election day. The Dean campaign didn&#039;t do that.


If we want to use the internet politically, we need to close that gap.


Money corrupts. Campaign culture has become mostly about the money. So-called grass-roots organizers who talk mostly about the money, not the community or the change they want to bring, are bragging about the price tag on their soul.


I hope the mood isn&#039;t to hail Trippi leader and martyr, but to be grateful for what the Dean campaign did with some of the energy and motivation, and resolved to figure out how to make it work in the longer term.
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<p>I found the Trippi talk disappointing because he pointed fingers. He blamed the media and the primacy cycle. He didn&#8217;t take responsibility for the disorganization in his own campaign and the lack of precinct organizing savvy that made the Dean get-out-the-vote effort less effective than Kerry. He didn&#8217;t take responsibility for communication failures and flaws. After all the candidates had taken up the anti-war message, he didn&#8217;t move on to other issues like health care and fiscal responsiblity.</p>
<p>It was all somebody else&#8217;s fault, none of it was the responsibility of the campaign or the candidate.</p>
<p>I thoroughly agree that much more can be done by enabling groups to self-organize. But when you&#8217;re running a presidential campaign, your guy needs to get more votes on election day. The Dean campaign didn&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>If we want to use the internet politically, we need to close that gap.</p>
<p>Money corrupts. Campaign culture has become mostly about the money. So-called grass-roots organizers who talk mostly about the money, not the community or the change they want to bring, are bragging about the price tag on their soul.</p>
<p>I hope the mood isn&#8217;t to hail Trippi leader and martyr, but to be grateful for what the Dean campaign did with some of the energy and motivation, and resolved to figure out how to make it work in the longer term.</p>
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