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		<title>By: Prentiss Riddle</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4063</link>
		<dc:creator>Prentiss Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexism may have contributed to the comment, but it&#039;s also partly fallout from Orkut trying to be simultaneously a business network, a bulletin board, and a dating service.  Some people intentionally go to Orkut to meet &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/M/MOTAS.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MOTAS&lt;/a&gt;, and in a dating context the comment would not have been inappropriate the way it would be in the workplace.


(It also could have been switched around genderwise, although given the overwhelming gender ratio in Orkut a straight woman or a gay man would have been unlikely to say something of the kind.)


Not trying to discount your feelings, just making a peripheral comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexism may have contributed to the comment, but it&#8217;s also partly fallout from Orkut trying to be simultaneously a business network, a bulletin board, and a dating service.  Some people intentionally go to Orkut to meet <a href="http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/M/MOTAS.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/M/MOTAS.html?referer=');">MOTAS</a>, and in a dating context the comment would not have been inappropriate the way it would be in the workplace.</p>
<p>(It also could have been switched around genderwise, although given the overwhelming gender ratio in Orkut a straight woman or a gay man would have been unlikely to say something of the kind.)</p>
<p>Not trying to discount your feelings, just making a peripheral comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4062</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought: your post was a combination of expression of feeling, and analysis.  The expression of feeling was &quot;I got this email with the joke, and felt hurt, and objectified.&quot;  You then went on to say how this person &quot;wants me there so that i can improve the scenery of his home page&quot; and made a few other statements/projections about what he must&#039;ve been thinking and feeling.


If I were said guy, I would&#039;ve felt attacked by that. I probably would&#039;ve gone on the defensive, and said &quot;well, that wasn&#039;t my intention; lighten up!&quot;  These sort of things easily escalate into a battle.  I know you&#039;ve experienced that sort of thing before.


IMHO, I think *just* expressing how you feel or reacted to something doesn&#039;t leave much room for argument or defensiveness.  It&#039;s just a statement of your experience, which you can take full responsibility for, and nobody can argue with.  If making you feel like shit is something the other person cares about, they&#039;ll probably take it to heart. If it&#039;s not, then there&#039;s probably nothing you can say that would sink in with them.


(Note: I&#039;m not saying analysis is bad.  Just that sharing and analysis are two seperate things.)


My $0.02.  YMMV.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought: your post was a combination of expression of feeling, and analysis.  The expression of feeling was &#8220;I got this email with the joke, and felt hurt, and objectified.&#8221;  You then went on to say how this person &#8220;wants me there so that i can improve the scenery of his home page&#8221; and made a few other statements/projections about what he must&#8217;ve been thinking and feeling.</p>
<p>If I were said guy, I would&#8217;ve felt attacked by that. I probably would&#8217;ve gone on the defensive, and said &#8220;well, that wasn&#8217;t my intention; lighten up!&#8221;  These sort of things easily escalate into a battle.  I know you&#8217;ve experienced that sort of thing before.</p>
<p>IMHO, I think *just* expressing how you feel or reacted to something doesn&#8217;t leave much room for argument or defensiveness.  It&#8217;s just a statement of your experience, which you can take full responsibility for, and nobody can argue with.  If making you feel like shit is something the other person cares about, they&#8217;ll probably take it to heart. If it&#8217;s not, then there&#8217;s probably nothing you can say that would sink in with them.</p>
<p>(Note: I&#8217;m not saying analysis is bad.  Just that sharing and analysis are two seperate things.)</p>
<p>My $0.02.  YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4061</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea... take a picture of you making the ugliest face possible and put it up... or put someone else&#039;s picture up... I&#039;m thinking about mooning the camera and putting that up... talk about ugly!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea&#8230; take a picture of you making the ugliest face possible and put it up&#8230; or put someone else&#8217;s picture up&#8230; I&#8217;m thinking about mooning the camera and putting that up&#8230; talk about ugly!</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Krubner</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4060</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Krubner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People seem to take a lot of criticism when they offer up their honest emotional reaction to life&#039;s stings.   I think this is why so much of the nation is on Prozac - not because life often hurts, but because people get so much grief when they say life often hurts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People seem to take a lot of criticism when they offer up their honest emotional reaction to life&#8217;s stings.   I think this is why so much of the nation is on Prozac &#8211; not because life often hurts, but because people get so much grief when they say life often hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4059</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t know danah so if I come off with unwelcome comments, just let me know.


I&#039;ve witnessed others who have had danah&#039;s reaction to being included as part of a joking comment. I&#039;ve seen it online and offline where someone is surprised by the sudden attention of a group. It seems to heighten the sting and so, her hurt is genuine and deserves some acknowledgement. She&#039;s not screamingly mad (but was observant) and the fellow who sent the message took a step back to see the situation from another point of view and learned from it.


I see the issue as less about sexism than I do the consequences (of which sexism is one) of social networking systems that focus more on power laws, nodes and pictures than on people. There are a hundred little ways most of these systems encourage us to simplay manipulate little pictures on the screen. A joke sent to friends pierced the veil of the avatar and revealed the presence of a person.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know danah so if I come off with unwelcome comments, just let me know.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve witnessed others who have had danah&#8217;s reaction to being included as part of a joking comment. I&#8217;ve seen it online and offline where someone is surprised by the sudden attention of a group. It seems to heighten the sting and so, her hurt is genuine and deserves some acknowledgement. She&#8217;s not screamingly mad (but was observant) and the fellow who sent the message took a step back to see the situation from another point of view and learned from it.</p>
<p>I see the issue as less about sexism than I do the consequences (of which sexism is one) of social networking systems that focus more on power laws, nodes and pictures than on people. There are a hundred little ways most of these systems encourage us to simplay manipulate little pictures on the screen. A joke sent to friends pierced the veil of the avatar and revealed the presence of a person.</p>
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		<title>By: xian</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4058</link>
		<dc:creator>xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>supersymmatry only takes you so far. i don&#039;t understand why anyone would object to danah&#039;s testifying to her own feelings. saying she is making too much of it is a way of saying that it doesn&#039;t matter or isn&#039;t important.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>supersymmatry only takes you so far. i don&#8217;t understand why anyone would object to danah&#8217;s testifying to her own feelings. saying she is making too much of it is a way of saying that it doesn&#8217;t matter or isn&#8217;t important.</p>
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		<title>By: Malach</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>Malach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.


As a thought excercise, take that situation, and switch the genders of all participants.


Do you think that the situation would negative to a similar extent?


I&#039;m not challenging the validity of your feelings, or accusing you of anything at all here, but I am curious as to your opinion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.</p>
<p>As a thought excercise, take that situation, and switch the genders of all participants.</p>
<p>Do you think that the situation would negative to a similar extent?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not challenging the validity of your feelings, or accusing you of anything at all here, but I am curious as to your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Life With Alacrity</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4066</link>
		<dc:creator>Life With Alacrity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sexism, Social Software &amp; the Blogospher&lt;/strong&gt;

A fascinating series of blog entries shows the promise and peril of social software and Blogs as a medium in a male-dominated technocracy...[pointers to two of Dana Boyd&#039;s blogs, and one to Christian Crumlish&#039;s blog, as well as some commentary.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sexism, Social Software &#038; the Blogospher</strong></p>
<p>A fascinating series of blog entries shows the promise and peril of social software and Blogs as a medium in a male-dominated technocracy&#8230;[pointers to two of Dana Boyd's blogs, and one to Christian Crumlish's blog, as well as some commentary.]</p>
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		<title>By: Life With Alacrity</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4065</link>
		<dc:creator>Life With Alacrity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sexism, Social Software &amp; the Blogospher&lt;/strong&gt;

A fascinating series of blog entries shows the promise and peril of Blogs as a medium in a male-dominated technocracy...[pointers to two of Dana Boyd&#039;s blogs, and one to Christian Crumlish&#039;s blog, as well as some commentary.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sexism, Social Software &#038; the Blogospher</strong></p>
<p>A fascinating series of blog entries shows the promise and peril of Blogs as a medium in a male-dominated technocracy&#8230;[pointers to two of Dana Boyd's blogs, and one to Christian Crumlish's blog, as well as some commentary.]</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Haller</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/02/05/publicly_processing_hurt.html/comment-page-1#comment-4056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Haller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was also sent to friends of friends, so I got it too, but I didn&#039;t understand what the hell it meant -- I figured I was missing some sort of context, although i guess I wasn&#039;t really.  Well, at least I guess now I know.


The immediate criticism you got for admitting your emotional response probably indicates why most of us spend so much of our times pretending that things don&#039;t bother us when they do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was also sent to friends of friends, so I got it too, but I didn&#8217;t understand what the hell it meant &#8212; I figured I was missing some sort of context, although i guess I wasn&#8217;t really.  Well, at least I guess now I know.</p>
<p>The immediate criticism you got for admitting your emotional response probably indicates why most of us spend so much of our times pretending that things don&#8217;t bother us when they do.</p>
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