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	<title>Comments on: the 150 limit and social upkeep</title>
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	<description>making connections where none previously existed</description>
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		<title>By: Anecdote: complexity - narrative - knowledge</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2895</link>
		<dc:creator>Anecdote: complexity - narrative - knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The maximum number of people we can deal with in a network&lt;/strong&gt;

Dave Snowden used to say that we can only know 150 people at any particular time or for any single network (read identity). This has been a useful rule of thumb for me in designing communities of practice but I...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The maximum number of people we can deal with in a network</strong></p>
<p>Dave Snowden used to say that we can only know 150 people at any particular time or for any single network (read identity). This has been a useful rule of thumb for me in designing communities of practice but I&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BOPnews</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2894</link>
		<dc:creator>BOPnews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;21st Century Participatory Democracy: A Perspective&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By now everyone who&#039;s paying attention realizes that something different is going on with this election. It&#039;s something to do with grassroots, something to do with the internet, and it&#039;s a phenomena that&#039;s flown in the face of the conventional wisd...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>21st Century Participatory Democracy: A Perspective</strong></p>
<p>By now everyone who&#8217;s paying attention realizes that something different is going on with this election. It&#8217;s something to do with grassroots, something to do with the internet, and it&#8217;s a phenomena that&#8217;s flown in the face of the conventional wisd&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: creativity/machine</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2893</link>
		<dc:creator>creativity/machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Creative Networks: Smaller, Better, Smarter&lt;/strong&gt;

Tom Morris has responded to my previous post on &quot;mass amateurisation&quot; with a thoughtful piece on the personalisation and decentralisation of the web: While personalisation and decentralisation may be just buzzwords at the moment, with the rise of the i...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Creative Networks: Smaller, Better, Smarter</strong></p>
<p>Tom Morris has responded to my previous post on &#8220;mass amateurisation&#8221; with a thoughtful piece on the personalisation and decentralisation of the web: While personalisation and decentralisation may be just buzzwords at the moment, with the rise of the i&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teal Sunglasses</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2892</link>
		<dc:creator>Teal Sunglasses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;more intersting RSS/Email links.&lt;/strong&gt;

Not as useful as actually writing something original, but more RSS and Email links I found interesting... Email&#039;s Special Power RSS, Newbies and Naysayers (it is good to remember that until RSS support is built into a mainstream OS release, it&#039;s going ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>more intersting RSS/Email links.</strong></p>
<p>Not as useful as actually writing something original, but more RSS and Email links I found interesting&#8230; Email&#8217;s Special Power RSS, Newbies and Naysayers (it is good to remember that until RSS support is built into a mainstream OS release, it&#8217;s going &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: daveXtreme</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveXtreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On Joining Friendster&lt;/strong&gt;

I usually try to be on the cusp of trends. I joined eBay in 1998 and Napster in Fall 1999. For some reason, it seemed for a time like too much work to set up Friendster, but last night I...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On Joining Friendster</strong></p>
<p>I usually try to be on the cusp of trends. I joined eBay in 1998 and Napster in Fall 1999. For some reason, it seemed for a time like too much work to set up Friendster, but last night I&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: plasticbag.org</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2890</link>
		<dc:creator>plasticbag.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Friendster as neocortical prosthetic...&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;ve been reading connected selves on the 150 person limit for weak ties and its relationship to Friendster: &quot;When i have 200+ friends on a site like Friendster, i&#039;m not a social networks anomaly. What is actually being revealed is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Friendster as neocortical prosthetic&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading connected selves on the 150 person limit for weak ties and its relationship to Friendster: &#8220;When i have 200+ friends on a site like Friendster, i&#8217;m not a social networks anomaly. What is actually being revealed is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2888</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or perhaps these systems boost the number of relationships we can maintain; perhaps we are no longer limited by neocortex size....I can hold only 7 plus/minus 2 items in short term memory, but fortunately I have access to paper &amp; pen.  Our ancestors used to be able to travel only relatively short distances per day and the carrying capacity of the environment given then prevalent technology meant that the total number of people one could possible access was very limited.  Today I have &gt;5b within a day&#039;s reach from wherever.


Perhaps your blog allows many more people to feel connected to you than you yourself maintain in personal memory...Perhaps technology is making 150  obsolete.


-Alex-
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps these systems boost the number of relationships we can maintain; perhaps we are no longer limited by neocortex size&#8230;.I can hold only 7 plus/minus 2 items in short term memory, but fortunately I have access to paper &#038; pen.  Our ancestors used to be able to travel only relatively short distances per day and the carrying capacity of the environment given then prevalent technology meant that the total number of people one could possible access was very limited.  Today I have >5b within a day&#8217;s reach from wherever.</p>
<p>Perhaps your blog allows many more people to feel connected to you than you yourself maintain in personal memory&#8230;Perhaps technology is making 150  obsolete.</p>
<p>-Alex-</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercurial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More than one hundred and fifty&lt;/strong&gt;

Deep within the discussion that Zephoria makes about the 200 people cap that Friendster has instituted, obviously to thwart the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More than one hundred and fifty</strong></p>
<p>Deep within the discussion that Zephoria makes about the 200 people cap that Friendster has instituted, obviously to thwart the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2887</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2003 06:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, danah. There seem to be some clear tensions that arise in articulating our networks publicly with the implication that people that are visible in our network are fully accessible for any kind of request.


Another question that&#039;s interesting to consider is whether the public articulation of these networks is a new form of &quot;maintenance&quot; that signals to the people we&#039;re connecting to that the relationship is still active in some way, perhaps at a lower threshhold.


Maybe new forms of resource exchange are acceptable via these networks that would not be possible previously? For instance, asking whether a group of people are familiar with any academic papers relevant to a particular topic may be seen as more acceptable than asking a particular distance acquaintance for such information. Sending out this request to all of the people within a certain subset of your network may be seen as more appropriate behavior.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, danah. There seem to be some clear tensions that arise in articulating our networks publicly with the implication that people that are visible in our network are fully accessible for any kind of request.</p>
<p>Another question that&#8217;s interesting to consider is whether the public articulation of these networks is a new form of &#8220;maintenance&#8221; that signals to the people we&#8217;re connecting to that the relationship is still active in some way, perhaps at a lower threshhold.</p>
<p>Maybe new forms of resource exchange are acceptable via these networks that would not be possible previously? For instance, asking whether a group of people are familiar with any academic papers relevant to a particular topic may be seen as more acceptable than asking a particular distance acquaintance for such information. Sending out this request to all of the people within a certain subset of your network may be seen as more appropriate behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
		<link>http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2003/09/05/the_150_limit_and_social_upkeep.html/comment-page-1#comment-2886</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you danah, this is a point that&#039;s needed articulation in the social software sphere for a while.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you danah, this is a point that&#8217;s needed articulation in the social software sphere for a while.</p>
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